From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:12:54 -0500 Message-ID: <87mu5ree7d.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <87lflcg0k9.fsf@red-bean.com> <0f1cd319-fa8c-4453-b909-fdd36f337906@default> <87zh9scdf8.fsf@warpmail.net> <24271.60155.724466.802235@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <877dwwezfr.fsf@red-bean.com-M8RLd3p--3-2> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="53337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , Andreas Roehler , Emacs Devel , "Philip K." , "T.V Raman" , Drew Adams To: excalamus@tutanota.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 03:13:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jeTar-000DmX-KN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 03:13:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55092 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeTaq-0000cq-Jq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 21:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49154) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeTa3-0000BZ-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 21:13:03 -0400 Original-Received: from newsp.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:41138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeTa1-00067G-Mn; Thu, 28 May 2020 21:13:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To: From:Sender:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=kj5axaJdcgJT6ogQUQjLv+wV0GMBPVo9syZq4fdSJnk=; t=1590714780; x=1591924380; b=ESLkRBauE74D1q8zy5S5gVccAq+yPDFziCZ7gQYGlwG5lgIOUa4sN+nFOoVNTTo0uhW54l/A+S cypkt3h94ASdoCLiYPbH47iQTRM9JC6nnFVAaFnNLR7F37N/dVt9qH8wiPMrF+JPAyYsxQBtqe9v6 a39uUBRU7usCx/WDKSfwvC0NG8zVqofQ/aEhVnHtAtfQmtGNQ6PKU7HsyZoEgN+I+ZD633s01ZIzJ 0BPsPCl8/oeWtOCFvGFWfD1os15CAKA+sr1AM5lmWnOaWpfDFRrYIXO48/YQDzUo7z+gSoHtKZBQ3 ggxkxQfyEDoFYxwdt6ENrchVWawYjQ0iYvEpQ==; Original-Received: from 99-112-125-163.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net ([99.112.125.163]:40466 helo=floss) by newsp.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jeTZv-00089t-Rd; Fri, 29 May 2020 01:12:55 +0000 In-Reply-To: (excalamus@tutanota.com's message of "Thu, 28 May 2020 20:28:14 +0200 (CEST)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=newsp.red-bean.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/28 21:12:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251593 Archived-At: On 28 May 2020, excalamus@tutanota.com wrote: >My understanding of the discussion prior to my interjection was that >newcomers appear to misunderstand, are reluctant to use, or forget >about 'C-g'.=C2=A0 I hope I didn't derail the convo into one of changing >the physical location or the keybinding!=C2=A0 There's too much history to >change 'C-g'.=C2=A0 For better or worse, it's what we have. Agreed. I've always just taught it as "C-g" -- as an axiomatic thing that = should be memorized because it will be used frequently.