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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257144 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I think can understand some of Gregory's frustration. If those problems >> are real, it should be possible to showcase them. > The second one was showcased by Gregory himself. If I read that correctly that was a synthethic, not a real-life example. > Sorry, I'm unable to encourage Gregory to understand the shortcomings, > no matter how much I tried, I guess it's my fault. It's not a question of "fault" or persuasion, it's a simple question that code speaks louder than words: good examples can be taken through a debugger and revealing where in actual code the shortcomings of a given approach manifests themselves. > Although it sounds like the same situation is repeating with Martin's > advice regarding mini-window resizing, so maybe it isn't entirely my > fault after all. If I read correctly, Martin reinforced how non-trivial calculations regarding mini-window sizing is, thus _strenghtening_ the case for having a solution where the application isn't responsible for that, as you suggest. Jo=C3=A3o