From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:33:41 +0100 Message-ID: <87mtyvltx6.fsf@rub.de> References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgciy9f.fsf@igel.home> <87362kfsf5.fsf@gmx.net> <874kl39aua.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20184"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Roland Winkler , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stephen Berman To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 02 23:34:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkaiA-00059K-14 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:34:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39862 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkai9-0004aE-38 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 17:34:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkahG-0004BU-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 17:34:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:40839) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkahE-00076O-5y; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 17:34:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606948429; bh=wxC0St05GrP68LzTpLczWLWDeJ5bxxDlqM9wx8Go5L8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Nz/SESpPRRbJw71BG/hPdu6MPmubWgp/TumGp2G4b15OHGjg5m7lxyKIUpJ5x03bg GjucGssVXS7cKpWgbNnOEW9eAL9kz9voDunF3rtF5oUbPJrTOkoKz3YkOT0ztKm16c yNllVru4lbN6MgfGgjdJIHQh/F+sfRPeiwgAeI8g= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from strobe-jhalfs ([178.1.123.7]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N3KPg-1k3NmB0tfO-010Q6J; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:33:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874kl39aua.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:06:37 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:G+oKmQ6vkPZBbM3tEj8P3sVUYm+xRRK6bdGUR0Zo5YvRl2Z+E5w dSckW8KMS0v9C2pRXjBxhklkt6xSbg5bLiLJj/9a0yP6JskG9spADEeEi0bhAHyuqqUBNxL DB77y4gruErJabUx+vE8TIdz1ZdGFrpJ0k7X/VNg83Xr1UxjFSZCugMjg8Mi2tHkqpGJoes WQwJKw+gok+a66FKarrFg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2BGftEJreK0=:9c5w0GcbWdOA+M81jzKIVI cEtczQRvv8RU1z/E53wttBmAlWdynXX84ogyi7Ke7zb3PpHpFDQohaWEiHQ//b0nfKQVIGa1L XzZ5KEVKGULzVHff+QBYlnnk2PY1D1DwEFyFiedz0qTRUvTHfBR62hJU4dZY5+rhPd+kdpNRo TTWXSVG4U9VS2A2Wyxfw5wVLYrO2aF1tw5h6n4gVYgFLYInAzAWeJMdnQRp6I+JXng4vy9x/x 0mXQhLRZSomN55ISxa1FFgvGPkaALorCuCntMeN+H4s+3ELNReqAD+0ab4/ZqFnj/as81DsYd PQu7dnq3ssNnyU0Nhs4r3guvwkphjAJeMncpr3aF148rFBI4hbCIEiVlqH1cXWsLh6/yt8DKU f0bLUf1eTcst8c2TzxnWQe6/r52nEr4rEp1HDXKyZHObxhZE9Anqh2rEhS1VDo6LtbxLeXo7t xkJxzT8zytZIPLiWjf+qmyGxB6LWjXtkuLpf9D6Wnm1YwxXtjA5Ecmawu4SmEJxJeFmnmCiGn Mpm1GwoGiPOImzGTpJuNl9dl8MmpwwiBii8MR2/nxtabVBEKeKtSVtjJdyeThnajl0iIcQfro slG1cyqp3lc0ZCzeG6r1MCYfPW1DqQ5j5nqUuyRfNjGmFyXr1+ZgUsAPtz+aSUIjKmSi0t9cl kZsn8LGbA7iiVFb9o1Wx4LLs7UfOogTY7U3RThoPJpdpsJm245hZ30Mr9ThG1qE+ktx92Scfx yl7JGtvnZIgk9akOnc4N16Go5E+SFT+pdqIDwEOSRvHmYfz4ZnJTjxyvv0eECg9JwG5guWP4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=stephen.berman@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260192 Archived-At: On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:06:37 +0200 Juri Linkov wrote: >>> Could you try to make proced work with a variable pitch header-line? = I >>> tried and failed (bug#1779). >> >> Done. The right-alignment is still fairly ugly, of course. > > Trying to click on the proced header line sometimes sorts a wrong column= . > > Comparing 'proced-sort-header' with 'tabulated-list-col-sort' shows > that the latter uses '(cdr posn-object)' to get the clicked column, > whereas 'proced' uses more complex logic with 'posn-actual-col-row' > that fails to get the correct aligned column. > > This begs the question why proced doesn't use 'tabulated-list-mode'? > Maybe there are some features in proced that are not yet supported > by tabulated-list? This question came up in bug#1779 <20008.59545.186131.208473@gargle.gargle.HOWL>: From: "Roland Winkler" Subject: Re: bug#1779: 23.0.60; proced with variable-pitch header line To: Chong Yidong Cc: Stephen Berman , 1779@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:03:53 -0500 On Thu Jul 21 2011 Chong Yidong wrote: > AFAICT, the alignment issue does not occur in Tabulated List mode, whi= ch > uses :align-to. In the short run, you might be able to get a clue abo= ut > the correct fix from there. In the long run, I think proced.el should > be reworked to use Tabulated List mode. Thanks, I'll have to find out what Tabulated List mode is doing. I am just wondering: In general, proced was much inspired by dired. Would you suggest that dired should likewise use Tabulated List mode? Maybe Roland (added to CC) can weigh in again. Steve Berman