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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm9309754wrt.35.2020.12.17.07.44.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 07:44:40 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <831rfo8q73.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:25:36 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::435; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x435.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261115 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:20:32 +0100 >>=20 >> > What's wrong with Options->Save Options? >>=20 >> Nothing, except that people have been conditioned to expect that >> changes in options get saved automatically, so we could do that for >> them if they make the changes via the menus. > > Not sure I'd like it: it would make it harder to try an option without > committing to using it. > Yes, but as I said: it=CA=BCs what people have been conditioned to expect. Or we could limit it to only visual things like toolbars,scrollbars etc. >> On a related note, perhaps 'save options' should be the last entry >> in the Options menu, to make it stand out more. > > Its current place is what it is because the items below it don't > belong to "Options" saved by "Save Options". We could add some > delimiter to make that more evident, but it isn't like the place is > random or not well thought of. I guess we could add another separator above it. Robert