From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:17:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87mtxo4tph.fsf@gnus.org> References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnwsbuwp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9163"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at, Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 04 16:19:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kwRdO-0002GO-UY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:19:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwRdO-0000PV-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwRcS-0007yG-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:18:04 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:50898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwRcQ-0007gw-Cy; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:18:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=U1nGMrRwmJxmDoQsDpACvnBCqk1OlOPmyLRafNOg4W8=; b=VN7A8RD0vYxDRc9SrkuhUrFmrj lKdcOZ4WC4nEk3jebyiC8TIKeUXgW9GpCUHsqsD+OVEAAdaEv2Pdg+ANaydXyfbEwkc3UkZD3bjiv cAlPH8Jk2gL9xvu3sveqhtbaQdr8rMdiG5WPOhvE8DkIeOb861UThD2EAd52hTEvEmjw=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kwRcB-0005ND-Qv; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:17:52 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEWwjWtxQT+fUEzR saT49O3///+dfHtVAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UBBA8MHxK+m7IAAAGRSURBVDjLfZIB YsMgCEUVcwDjLqCYAzjJAbra+59pH026dHWjasUX+BFizNzs5Cz+CcIUUB8TYEeyWao/xKPxhjtI 66t1/wrC9YmowNvoiWMki10ICe4AkZA4es82Ugwp2XQCNjjpgA2nlNgPDZ+sPwAZZmtPECydIJg4 wKnBAIGtD0j1AsyIQApP11Ts8VZhTWHlAHUOIwJ30xbQccFQjwtCT2tUMB3DPghhAK4smOIUiC7L Ud3FCKzgZ5w0pw6eEgVwdjhiFvzvpWHfToABkR5cMOBCQ4aw6TtXXjpYZq0dYuUdPNTktIfsD9GT rwEu1nZxUyCtIWoCbjidgdaPO3gK672xtNykA+JXs8wr728g6Vx5+TKNcl3yPW+u1lxdZKoun2B3 krdM91wkW1vNAJxZsuScuWZUhy6Aar4BUN3QSbpXOUCstx4BwAD1AA/Sjg+Qn6C/LsSlg09Vq/Ve tg4YX+LWXI5cI0sspOIKbOKohS7jpqGvPZUxWjpFPwXYf1VXK4mOYH3vx2H/AJnb5zdoRIS3tuUh TAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wMS0wNFQxNToxMjozMSswMDowMHXEnyIAAAAldEVY dGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDEtMDRUMTU6MTI6MzErMDA6MDAEmSeeAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Scritti Politti's _Cupid & Psyche 85_: "Absolute" In-Reply-To: <83wnwsbuwp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:09:58 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262434 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> [...] here's a suggestion: perhaps we should think about sometimes >> carrying out time-boxed experiments on the master branch in >> controversial cases. For example: we add this keybinding now, to be >> revisited in 14/21/30 days and then a final discussion is taken to >> keep or revert it once people have gotten some experience with it. > > I don't mind having such a process, Me neither -- I think it sounds like something we should try out. > provided that someone volunteers to manage it: identify and announce > the relevant changes, keep track of the time-box of each one of them, > initiate a discussion when the time is up, etc. It's a non-trivial > amount of work. I think the most natural person to manage the process would be the person that's proposing the change. That is, we don't really need much formalism around this. To take the already-mentioned case as an example -- Martin wanted to have us try out horizontal scroll bars to see whether they work, so he'd flip them on, and announce on emacs-devel "these default to on for a week, and then we'll discuss". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no