From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: extraclean and admin/grammars [was Re: Git master head build failure?] Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:44:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtudg7i1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <875z16en2o.fsf@gmail.com> <83mtuih3en.fsf@gnu.org> <835z16gnkj.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2e2f22w.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgyikmui.fsf@gnus.org> <83v995g8lo.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1jsls85.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6qgg56n.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7knlcl6.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8eve9oy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5691"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 04 21:45:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lT8gB-0001LN-Kw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:45:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58322 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lT8gA-0007KW-Mx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 15:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lT8fP-0006uQ-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 15:44:15 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:40014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lT8fN-0007JG-QW; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 15:44:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KgvWyLkz1mcKSJk1uFuLWFV1tkoi8U4jtQ2Tzs0ep7c=; b=K0l32708e9fyI1ZlMHb02nGKCr sFcg7YLIkxICaF85rE7y6OeXJuBj37CkprcnDy3ymFLprJlhrB8p3IJWc3VkyaALMsMX1TN7LLGiI 4pBfaOa32eG1XSOkgt7cbDie/Ka/tsdCREAJQkVdcZM6xuqscWaaya6HGlmtY2UYQfWo=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lT8fG-00023L-R5; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:44:09 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAAAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAAAlQTFRF PEZFqbOn////C9F+/gAAAAFiS0dEAmYLfGQAAAAJcEhZcwAACxIAAAsSAdLdfvwAAAAHdElNRQfl BAQTERSn3PtCAAAAtklEQVQoz53SsQ7EIAgAUEhkd9D/0eS6awL//ysn2iJtbzqHhhdUUAvwz8js hS6uot+0IAMobYOkJ4OMMfeJAdsIF6gha0bgWvZCWVU98gKrwgktfE5a81AOse2wuwzYNO2BfkKe gBuyB3rQDYf1tlPXGWKzoyJH6HxeHY2gH1ox6JoWV/kkZdxuljqgp8Fr5663KZwY2u6yvFreqB9D 6sUyHUYXE4F4v0Ai9xz2J7hnmuAHwoy/b/Bi7ODUWv0AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEt MDQtMDRUMTk6MTc6MTkrMDA6MDBGFyk9AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA0LTA0VDE5 OjE3OjE5KzAwOjAwN0qRgQAAADh0RVh0aWNjOmNvcHlyaWdodABDb3B5cmlnaHQgKGMpIDE5OTgg SGV3bGV0dC1QYWNrYXJkIENvbXBhbnn5V3k3AAAAIXRFWHRpY2M6ZGVzY3JpcHRpb24Ac1JHQiBJ RUM2MTk2Ni0yLjFXrdpHAAAAJnRFWHRpY2M6bWFudWZhY3R1cmVyAElFQyBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmll Yy5jaBx/AEwAAAA3dEVYdGljYzptb2RlbABJRUMgNjE5NjYtMi4xIERlZmF1bHQgUkdCIGNvbG91 ciBzcGFjZSAtIHNSR0JEU0ipAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: The Notwist's _Vertigo Days_: "Into The Ice Age (feat. Angel Bat Dawid)" In-Reply-To: <83o8eve9oy.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:15:09 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267394 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I still don't understand what mean here, since it's been demonstrated >> several times that (in certain circumstances) people have to say "make >> extraclean" to build a working Emacs executable. > > "make extraclean" is only needed when doing something very drastic, > like switching to a very different branch. That is an extremely rare > (if not improbable) use case, so IMO having everyone pay for it is > unjustified. It doesn't seem like we're going to get any further here? My opinion is that "make bootstrap" should guarantee a build (to the best of our abilities). Yours is that it shouldn't. I don't have the stamina to debate the issue further. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no