From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does Gnus article-moving act like a fetch of new news? Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:00:27 -0700 Message-ID: <87mtu5iyv8.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87lf9rruzl.fsf@red-bean.com> <87mtu65yqj.fsf@igel.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17766"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Karl Fogel , Andreas Schwab , Emacs Development To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 11 00:01:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVLfk-0004Z1-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 00:01:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36126 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVLfj-0003xV-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:01:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49042) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVLeg-0003PY-2u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:00:43 -0400 Original-Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:38310 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVLeZ-0002Cn-0T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (c-71-197-184-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.184.122]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0171FA086; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 22:00:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1618092029; bh=uZmRqYWcPYOGp0evd1XrW59YRDkdeaDCATPReDoT5RE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=bm3Ke2m/zRgDwVjzQYIfMdNVTN47lR5Crmsj5xqdZE5exkRDn4UvUBFGw/TpzznXV J6cRaxWm23g42EekF76T+wSIiujt9zQi0l3dnBnCMsWWDSTO6ude21OHQ26wuNWqvZ AGuEWW3P+l4Yzx2m68SCmJUueB0wJPrZTfTXI1NQ= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:07 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267839 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I expected article-moving to be an entirely local operation, and to have >>> nothing to do with fetching new news. After all, Gnus already has the >>> article in question -- it's not "new". >> What if the destination group has been updated in the mean time? Gnus >> needs to know the current status of the group, before it can write to >> it. > > But what if it gets updated *again* before we actually write to it? Also, in this case, it's updated *after* the article is moved to it.