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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: "Paul W. Rankin" <pwr@bydasein.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: declare function/macro private
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 11:43:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mts0ofmu.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <030ED6D5-BC78-4992-90C5-9EC18221F0DE@bydasein.com> (Paul W. Rankin's message of "Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:43:25 +1000")

"Paul W. Rankin" <pwr@bydasein.com> writes:

> The "--" convention is fine and I wouldn't suggest to change/replace
> this; it's clear to people what it means once they've learnt what the
> convention means.

[...]

> Also I just dislike computer heuristics.

The "--" convention is heuristic-ey...  But it is very reminiscent of
the Common Lisp foo:bar vs foo::private-bar thing (which is not a
heuristic, but a language thing).

That is, I think it's very nice to have the code be quite explicit about
what's internal and what's external, so if you're using
foo--private-thing in Emacs outside of a file called foo*.el, you know
you're doing something that may break.

This being a convention instead of a language feature does have
problems.  For instance, if somebody decides to make a private function
public, all the usages have to be renamed.  (declare (private ...))
avoids that.

But...  I think I agree with people that this isn't really the way to
go -- the current convention provides more information than the declare
would do (most of all, it says what the prefix is).

It'd be nice if Emacs grew a real package system -- then this
private/public thing would happen naturally.  But I don't think adding
`private' in and of itself is the way forward.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-08  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-06  4:27 declare function/macro private Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-06  7:09 ` Omar Polo
2021-06-06  7:18   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-06  9:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-06 12:43   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-08  9:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-06-08 17:26       ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-06-06 18:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-06 18:12   ` Tassilo Horn
2021-06-06 20:12     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07  0:51       ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  1:37         ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-07  1:43           ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07 13:38             ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-07  0:59   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  2:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07 18:24       ` Arthur Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-07  3:35 Boruch Baum
2021-06-07  4:49 ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  5:59   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07  6:45     ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07 12:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-08  1:14   ` Boruch Baum
2021-06-08  4:20     ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-08  5:49       ` tomas
2021-06-08 15:46     ` Stefan Monnier

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