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[106.69.152.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t23sm2186169pjs.16.2021.09.08.06.02.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Sep 2021 06:02:28 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <87mtonfcvj.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::530; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x530.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274334 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> I would imagine the package I'm proposing would likely leverage off some >> of the code which generates the data attached to bug reports. I also >> think it would be good to be able to mine the data which exists in bug >> reports, but have no idea how easily that could be done. > > You are probably right that a separate package would provide better and > more accurate data, I just wonder what the incentive is for someone who > uses Emacs, has opinions but isn't part of any "community". Unless this > is automated, which become annoying, it seems like this is a quality vs > quantity problem -- and if that is the case, it might be more helpful to > improve the quality of the quantity (more detail in bug reports) than > improve the quantity of the quality. I suspect multiple channels will be required as it is unlikely one engagement model will work for all. Bug reports, user survey and a telemetry package could all be part of the picture.