From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Manuel Giraud Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 22:32:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtobkknl.fsf@elite.giraud> References: <20210912165141.9491.52637@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83czp9by3s.fsf@gnu.org> <05cbffe0-f89b-ff54-64f5-cd1d11bac4f5@yandex.ru> <831r5pbt7j.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnnhacy4.fsf@gnu.org> <40937e22-994f-466c-87be-4f70a522118a@yandex.ru> <83o88t9kgb.fsf@gnu.org> <9672aeae-a969-1526-003b-abb1b00b5b49@yandex.ru> <87sfy43dlt.fsf@gnus.org> <1a0f9230b7d75e426474@heytings.org> <1a0f9230b71c3d2eff86@heytings.org> <835yuz8na8.fsf@gnu.org> <1a0f9230b7571d4c3293@heytings.org> <831r5n8kqa.fsf@gnu.org> <1a0f9230b74fe15d1abf@heytings.org> <1a0f9230b76ce1574e10@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11947"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (berkeley-unix) Cc: Juri Linkov , Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers , martin rudalics , Gregory Heytings , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , Yuri Khan , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 17 22:33:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mRKYC-0002uP-SR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 22:33:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59556 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRKYB-0001Oa-H0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRKXX-0000iJ-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:12549) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mRKXV-0001kz-93; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:32:54 -0400 Original-Received: from elite.giraud ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 6c91918b (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 17 Sep 2021 22:32:49 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:22:12 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=51.159.28.247; envelope-from=manuel@ledu-giraud.fr; helo=ledu-giraud.fr X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274937 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> The point is not to discuss whether Unicode makes a better distinction >> between different kinds of quotation marks and apostrophe. It does, >> obviously. But (1) these characters are difficult to enter on most >> keyboards, (2) it is not realistic to expect that keyboards will change, as >> 99.9% users do not need or even understand those subtleties, and word > > 100% agreement. My preference for using a well-defined convention based > on some existing markup language is that the text is then plain ASCII > (and hence easy to type and to display) but we can additionally prettify > it in a reliable way if the user cares about it. [Hi! old time newbie here trying to follow this long discussion.] I think that the point (3) of Gregory is important too. It seems to me that you are refering to the `` Markdown convention. I think that what Gregory was saying (correct me otherwise) is that it is useful to have distinct characters to represent opening and closing quote. -- Manuel Giraud