From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mutating existing persistent data Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87mtlcfaga.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys2lyt0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnkhlxb9.fsf@yahoo.com> <2FD7D920-D92C-480B-B2AC-91A17F0397C4@mit.edu> <87zgpdi0rk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7bkzg01.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11231"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: qhong@mit.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, arthur.miller@live.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 07 21:06:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mugj2-0002ci-CF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:06:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51020 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mugj1-0003bW-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mughm-0002Kx-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:04:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=42948 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mughk-0007tz-Ab; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:04:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=eu7xcaywvyj5bVVryYrI/+76FGeoEgFYShUSVQFJXSg=; b=SdcmiZqGnwjkZ8flAcUHm5zqH4 9BTGVtEk9FVY69cwAApaiWpklMaC6itMH6F7O3LPI5bpQU6N5z5wZ7hx5ejHoTi+Yvr4CpIb8IMVj i0rBZnvvzme7f/UW67Ech3YlqJGqTeGhtk5x6JNhvYnhHh/HaJGBb1GWsh4TtX5L1XPg=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mugha-0001zc-76; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:04:41 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEXBt6OWiXOFeWVM Rjr///91XVO0AAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBxM5NZQtoZkAAAGMSURBVDjLdZMLlsIw CEVpZwMN2YDABhT2vzf5JGkcZ+rxaHuBxyMUDuZGKGamjISmJGhiAti1tQE8woz947fQRF5FlFpj BxHkAC8xZgfKAxSB67S4YYmECTRK9QJZqb0kwVMMzgDEcQVg5aoFJ0cGBqB2Qf5JcBTABFCA74zm d0i8gwPTcyaYA1qAwlqJf2XYo7R9OCyMZTC6DdceqqG1nNdk3AP7bEIhI3fQqP7aF7CPC+on5uQk kjSbmhlECVJ3gPAsnBl+XvFM8gsxi/k8bFg+lspYAAEOFzGdoEiMPYAtjQkQGnCXHXh1Jm6HxvqM LRkZiXEzWBlM/wBJGRpAJvBwLf0iPDXIV7TAcZcah1prhecvMDoze21AFomZ3wBvYH0/qAlUWX8+ wIx3sB96+NAU8DfL/gS8taR3Ka1XclzPCYxq60e46DQofnR3S8940SNDar9vhZwuqoOPRk37AOzr L5u0LeCb2e0hcy1tlgp3ptcaeecBLu8J4FwG3aspuG/fswPJi1WpWtM3HWupy85LmzoAAAAldEVY dGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTItMDdUMTk6NTc6NTMrMDA6MDAHh4+sAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1v ZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEyLTA3VDE5OjU3OjUzKzAwOjAwdto3EAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Japan's _Tin Drum (1)_: "Still Life in Mobile Homes" In-Reply-To: <83h7bkzg01.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:44:30 +0200") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281277 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Maybe we don't need to give up so easily. We could use something like > sqlite-persistent-value or db-persistent-value. eieio itself has > several FOO-persistent-BAR things, so why can't we have one more > variety? That it's a db on the backend is a detail the callers don't really need to know, so putting that in the name here seems less than optimal. But perhaps we could go in a totally different direction with the name since none of the things that rhyme with "persistent" are free or good. What about... `state'? So `define-state-variable' and `(state-value foo)'? It's a bit on the vague side, but it's kinda snappy. Doesn't seem to be taken in-tree at least. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no