From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:46:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtbxlnf1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgfxn6lt.fsf@gnus.org> <87tu65k9ec.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119lnsd.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12065"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 21 15:48:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlJH-0002v8-9O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:48:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34394 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlJG-0002fU-8Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:48:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlHc-0001Pg-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:46:34 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:60490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlHa-0003WR-Ko for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:46:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pdoUKsHxwYvXjB35TuxaQwtyv7ovjR/NtdCJig1h4Ww=; b=ZSvM0nL9Sq8jQYgnf5ipSQmzBR cnEzbX+KG+kmIz4XZCWkEcL1gVmrICYgVJoYcW07URmMmWHOTWwwZKFhWLHou3sY6s3tACNtLwauq CioaFU+HPtSHU0pjRD1q0H+9rSvMjVIZ997gVg16R27mavvSyZkPR+cr4ZMxVDz487qU=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlHW-0002WJ-RH; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:46:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r119lnsd.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:38:26 +0200") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUGBgVfVEGxppL/ //9ztTv8AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAlwSFlzAAAuGAAALhgBKqonIAAAAAd0SU1FB+YIFQ0aNbU4 E/gAAAFWSURBVCjPVdJBb4IwFAfwV1LI5MQSMZPzdnCfoiZsyW5oWjM47aCL8Cn8CC6RRT15oIb2 U659UHFc6C8t/9e+AvDvYT6/jb0m0MwhaEDvHEJF5P4GvZK1W5fI5fWUOaiV4g40FoSPgTQoiwy8 1o6JzKTITCimbYPSltMY0CQfA1g1Mt8DIpzmoxxedohAFuoNxrLCtHouCHuaIoBDTIDSHtGamhfW CVQh7dbaLjpZ23fT4RXP9oUgpckAcsGieZFzbAV2x5MGYevqmDRyZR18u+Da4OEmJz+FoDybKU/O NU+jkfo1FUJJzpBGU1VfbBPfFfhRro5re96FFqZhZftsm7jUNaPRTJmZcCPkgkGWWJgm/gjEAQEG +1hbCE5ERtijPuJ2IAXCYv3Z3URmMK627v4Io1V5A9DyNOBho+5mmtnwo/h1eIdDMGDCvvtRZNBd V78MCvgDE8FdXnGbZBAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjItMDgtMjFUMTM6MjY6NTMrMDA6 MDBdhuNmAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIyLTA4LTIxVDEzOjI2OjUzKzAwOjAwLNtb2gAA AABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Secs's _Doer_: "4 puny periods featuring super city" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293705 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Don't they listen to our choices? > > Nope. Well, let me qualify that a bit: I think if we can make the default non-Gtk toolkit version of Emacs pretty enough (and usable enough for a reasonable user), and have compelling reasons to discourage the Gtk-toolkit version (I think the _exit when a display shuts down, and the XInput2 problems, might be compelling), then we might convince them. But without the 1-5) I outlined, I don't think there's any chance what-so-ever.