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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293723 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Most users don't choose the toolkits -- they use whatever the > distribution has configured. And since most of those use a variation on > Gnome Shell, it's natural for the distributions to use the Gtk toolkit > for Emacs. Can't we shout at them to do something else? I've seen the Debian Emacs packager here somewhere. > But, yes, most people who build Emacs themselves end up using the Gtk > toolkit for two reasons: It's the default, and the no-toolkit one is > ugly and unusable (both in actuality and as a UX preference for most > normal people). Unusable? > Did the distributions exist before Gtk? Yes. Emacs gained support for GTK+ in the early 2000s, and enabled it by default with 23.1. > I haven't tried the Lucid build in a while, and it fixes the menu > scaling (and font) issues. I think menu font scaling works fine on the Lucid build. Scaling the menus themselves (i.e. the border around highlighted menu items) most likely does not, and I don't have the necessary hardware to test any implementation of that type of scaling. (If I did, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now -- I've repeatedly wanted to really fix HiDPI support over the past several months.)