From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:22:45 +0000 Message-ID: <87mtaz44ka.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87v8pn4968.fsf@posteo.net> <87r10b465q.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37501"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C5=82awomir?= Grochowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 16 19:24:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF4W-0009Xi-Ae for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:24:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42122 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF4V-0006m7-EX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:24:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF3F-0005sq-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:22:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:54089) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF3D-0006Vp-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:22:53 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF7B240104 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:22:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1663348969; bh=eM5REebX9eBNkTUAMjo3qafSmaENms4zBJXBoHAe+R8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=l9zty24JLrsn474N+9gOVcBUrgM99CRmfXCZ7G8U3uw+Gxe6crNJ4ya1YL10YWl3S 8OifWdrNn20bl7xUbmIwj/ttUSdudTqS9HzTY5nuG4oN4SwO+KQ2acteJPkAvrQniU TUSgD31o8GnBRzzd/RvlvGEPKIXhWgNYJ5TRelj+AW+b+Bop2l7Ue5CPPhhN5qQU/3 F2BIFXcPxmvpixNBqkybSco1dabcOWNf51aw4AuM3quuc0L3SK9Q+8776OdXeVzZwW fFOEIOVtj/dqhnV8I+nO30BbyqAUgd4LfeMAgGmA+3orz4Z9KfXLcK8TzaNLPQbDRk minz55QRxYOIg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MTgr85WwXz9rxB; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:22:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C5=82awomir?= Grochowski"'s message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:03:09 +0200") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295488 Archived-At: S=C5=82awomir Grochowski writes: > https://github.com/justbur/emacs-which-key features helps a lot in user > interface. > Help users to feel better, more comfortable and prevent from being lost. > And it's kind of similar behavior to -> pressing the key for > completion in 'minibuffer commands' like M-x, find-file, apropos etc. Yes, but just like there is a difference between auto-completion and tab-completion, there is a difference to be considered here. Again, I don't think there is anything in Emacs by default that relies on non-input the way which-key does. One reason I dislike this is because I've seen how some people use `which-key-mode' in person, just waiting for the menu to (fragile) pop up, to skim through the columns to find what they are looking for. By comparison, I think that C-h and isearch/occur/etc. is more idiomatic. That being said, my proposal is much more modest, and has more to do with Nano's default help bar at the bottom of the screen. > To make it simple it should be limited to only a minibuffer similar to the > completion system. > Because which-key package allows you to display it in another buffer or > frame. But that would be too much complexity. Why would it be?