From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:46:28 +0000 Message-ID: <87mt8wxjjf.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87lep4jeeb.fsf@gmail.com> <5EE58F68-8B9E-4DE6-BA20-3A88FFDA6528@posteo.net> <871qqkjwjj.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7to2dfy.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1ssugaf.fsf@posteo.net> <875yfw6kbx.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0ykufh8.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfiyl6nb.fsf@posteo.net> <87pme1ddsn.fsf@gmail.com> <871qqhby2k.fsf@posteo.net> <87leopdbsw.fsf@gmail.com> <87tu3dagj5.fsf@posteo.net> <87eduhd7m7.fsf@gmail.com> <87iljk1voy.fsf@posteo.net> <874jv4z2th.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37691"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Payas Relekar , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel , John Wiegley To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 12 16:47:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1otsj5-0009bK-O1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:47:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otsiU-0004ZL-Bo; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:46:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otsiR-0004Z5-Pp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:46:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otsiO-0000z8-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:46:43 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8724240027 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:46:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1668267997; bh=KW7MjzTGLTjFgFUFAZhcKsI7owzPDu4OJJBKn0dKlT0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=KBFo6ZOapmVog1sngt9lC+s7WEuXsh1/pWHEXPezi3RLHHweHpbI4YojHlTIYQ8ox ckHNxBX9OVxTJijJTMBwH3fHMPIe7QaLOEHLkFV2Q8XSS1E6rs3QJzNpRWC82F7mjr 9yMUjEqyFid4CiHPMLyFIAMLmb/D7WMp4AR5iUXqyAC6lCtGoKBfRc7ZaKiItAvenm N9DNA2WxAcZRxQL2zxl0mlDfSfzlXqeohG0Iq0WKBatwLZ+UWtT2xAuVtSeRNu78Of 2im6KIQe16zlF9ZeDUKZD4NdidEUnQzbCGgOpEkvxrqz1AVobqI6AgbQGyDGkxb1kR uKKIe4v6hn5Aw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4N8g0q74fnz9rxG; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:46:33 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 12 Nov 2022 07:38:23 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299662 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> I cannot evaluate this, but isn't use-package a relatively stable >> package, that is mostly being bug-fixed? There really aren't that many >> new features being added all the time, so this might not be that >> important. Or am I mistaken? > > I don't think you're wrong, however I don't see any clear benefits to > making it a :core package as compared to just adding it as a normal > package, as long as it's developed externally. It's less work, and > seems to be good enough for org-mode, for example. > > But you're right that it might not be that important. Either or works. I just checked elpa-packages, assuming that the modus-themes were externally synchronised, but apparently this isn't the case. Maybe we could take a look at discussion from when Modus was merged into the core, to find arguments pro and contra. >> No, we have recently decided to scrap that documentation source in >> favour of the documentation generated on elpa.gnu.org -- that is if I >> understood everything correctly. > > OK, thanks. I now did my homework and read the related threads (sorry > for not doing that first). No problem. > 1. Does that mean that it is actually preferred to make all changes > directly in use-package.texi now? That is my understanding > 2. Should use-package.org just be scrapped, then? (I guess that, if the > answer is yes, we should first export the latest version of that file > to use-package.texi, and then continue from there.) That would follow. > 3. Payas mentioned working on the texinfo sources. What's the status of > that work? I'm ready to get started, but it seems better if we can > avoid doing the same work twice, so maybe I should base it on his > latest version? That I cannot say. >> How does Org-mode distinguish between @key, @kbd, @code and @var? > > See org-setup.org, org.org and the generated file org.texi. Basically > they use org-mode macros to add texinfo markup. Oh, that is interesting. Perhaps this would work too, my experience with org->texi has been dissatisfactory but limited.