From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Concurrency via isolated process/thread
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 04:36:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mszk7glc.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fs5czvs2.fsf@yahoo.com>
Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:
> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> This problem is not limited to buffers - any low-level function that
>> modifies C object struct must enforce the condition when other threads
>> cannot modify the same object. For example SETCAR will have to mark the
>> modified object non-writable first, set its car, and release the lock.
>
> No, because reading the car of a Lisp_Cons does not depend on any other
> field within the Lisp_Cons.
>
> No interlocking is required to read from or write to machine word-sized
> fields, as changes to such fields are always propagated coherently to
> other CPUs. At worst, you will need to flush the write cache on any CPU
> that has written to one such field. (Even these machines are rare -- I
> don't think Emacs currently supports any.)
This is a dangerous assumption.
What if Emacs decides to support such architecture in future?
Simultaneous write and read generally has undefined outcome, unless we
use READ_ONCE and WRITE_ONCE. There are known architectures where
simultaneous read may result in mixing bits from the old and new values.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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2023-07-04 16:58 Concurrency via isolated process/thread Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 12:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:02 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-05 13:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:35 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-07 11:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 13:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 0:34 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 11:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 12:11 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 12:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:21 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 13:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 14:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 0:32 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:24 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:41 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:58 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 13:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 14:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 14:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 18:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 10:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 9:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 9:56 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 10:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 11:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 13:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 15:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 16:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 11:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:13 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:48 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 13:18 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 13:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 7:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 8:36 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17 8:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 9:39 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17 9:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 10:08 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 8:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 9:52 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 10:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:15 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:31 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 13:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 0:12 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 4:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 16:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 0:20 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 4:36 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-07-25 7:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 7:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 8:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 8:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 8:53 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 9:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 9:17 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 9:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 9:37 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 17:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-10 11:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 14:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 0:21 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 6:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 9:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 14:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 12:22 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 0:18 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 0:51 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 4:18 ` tomas
2023-07-08 5:51 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 6:01 ` tomas
2023-07-08 10:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 19:39 ` tomas
2023-07-08 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 6:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 8:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:35 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 15:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 0:44 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 4:29 ` tomas
2023-07-08 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 7:48 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:54 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 0:37 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 7:14 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 7:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-09 9:25 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:10 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 12:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 0:41 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:31 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 0:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 0:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:15 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 0:22 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 0:33 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 2:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 20:43 ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18 4:51 ` tomas
2023-07-18 5:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 5:39 ` Po Lu
2023-07-18 5:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:14 ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18 12:39 ` Async IO and queing process sentinels (was: Concurrency via isolated process/thread) Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 14:12 ` Async IO and queing process sentinels Michael Albinus
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