unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Concurrency via isolated process/thread
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 04:36:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mszk7glc.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fs5czvs2.fsf@yahoo.com>

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> This problem is not limited to buffers - any low-level function that
>> modifies C object struct must enforce the condition when other threads
>> cannot modify the same object. For example SETCAR will have to mark the
>> modified object non-writable first, set its car, and release the lock.
>
> No, because reading the car of a Lisp_Cons does not depend on any other
> field within the Lisp_Cons.
>
> No interlocking is required to read from or write to machine word-sized
> fields, as changes to such fields are always propagated coherently to
> other CPUs.  At worst, you will need to flush the write cache on any CPU
> that has written to one such field.  (Even these machines are rare -- I
> don't think Emacs currently supports any.)

This is a dangerous assumption.
What if Emacs decides to support such architecture in future?

Simultaneous write and read generally has undefined outcome, unless we
use READ_ONCE and WRITE_ONCE. There are known architectures where
simultaneous read may result in mixing bits from the old and new values.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>



  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-25  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-04 16:58 Concurrency via isolated process/thread Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:29   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:52       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 18:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 11:23           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 11:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 12:40               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:02                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-05 13:10                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:35                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-07 11:48                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 13:35                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05  0:34         ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 11:26           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 12:11             ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 12:44               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:21                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 13:26                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 14:00                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06  0:32                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:46                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:24                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:31                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:41                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:51                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:58                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 13:13                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 14:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 14:47                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:17                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:19                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:04                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:16                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 14:29                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 14:47                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:21                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 18:04                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 18:24                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:36                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:05                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08  7:05                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 10:53                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:26                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  9:36                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09  9:56                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 10:04                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 11:59                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 13:58                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 14:52                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 15:49                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 16:35                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 11:30                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:13                                                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:28                                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:48                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:53                                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 13:18                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 13:09                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 13:58                                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 14:37                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:55                                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 16:03                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:58                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17  7:55                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17  8:36                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-17  8:52                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17  9:39                                                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-17  9:54                                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 10:08                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-24  8:42                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24  9:52                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 10:09                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:15                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 12:25                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:31                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 13:53                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  0:12                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  4:28                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:50                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:15                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:41                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:13                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:44                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:02                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:54                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:24                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 16:00                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 16:38                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  0:20                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  4:36                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-07-25  7:27                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  7:59                                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  8:27                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  8:45                                                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  8:53                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  9:03                                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  9:17                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-25  9:27                                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25  9:37                                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 12:40                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:29                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:52                                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 14:27                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 17:13                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-10 11:37                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 13:54                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 14:23                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07  0:21                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:01                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:16                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:32                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:30                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:17                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:31                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:01                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08  6:50                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:55                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:43                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  9:57                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:08                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 14:16                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 15:00                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 12:22                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:12                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10  0:18                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-08  0:51                                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-08  4:18                                                 ` tomas
2023-07-08  5:51                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-08  6:01                                                     ` tomas
2023-07-08 10:02                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 19:39                                                         ` tomas
2023-07-08  6:25                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  6:38                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08  7:45                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  8:16                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 10:13                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:35                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 15:31                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08  0:44                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-08  4:29                                               ` tomas
2023-07-08  7:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  7:48                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 10:02                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:54                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 14:12                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  0:37                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-09  7:01                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  7:14                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-09  7:35                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  7:57                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09  8:41                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:53                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-09  9:25                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 11:14                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 11:23                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:10                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:03                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 12:01                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:45                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  0:41                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:42                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:31                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  0:27                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:45                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06  0:27                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:48                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:15                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:09                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:36                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  0:22                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-05  0:33 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05  2:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 20:43     ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18  4:51       ` tomas
2023-07-18  5:25       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18  5:39         ` Po Lu
2023-07-18  5:49           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:14         ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18 12:39           ` Async IO and queing process sentinels (was: Concurrency via isolated process/thread) Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:49             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 14:12             ` Async IO and queing process sentinels Michael Albinus

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87mszk7glc.fsf@localhost \
    --to=yantar92@posteo.net \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=luangruo@yahoo.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).