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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b4d84f1995dc938ee8fe9e214f9ad745; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:15:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <7B07650E-50E8-407D-991C-53CA470D243F@gmail.com> (JD Smith's message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2024 07:39:02 -0500") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22077 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316310 Archived-At: JD Smith writes: > I know some inexperienced users have this concern, but I don't think > anyone here believes that. I also do not worry for one second about > the 1,007,028 bytes **/idlw*.{el,texi,info} occupy, since downloading > them takes <<1 second. No, the costs I see are not related to > unwanted bytes, neither bytes on disk nor bytes loaded into the > running emacs process. But reasonable people can disagree about the > scope of these costs. Disabling the auto-mode-alist and moving the > manual from the top level would go a long way towards mitigating them, > IMO. Any costs that cannot be quantified in consumed disk space or bytes loaded into the Emacs process are notional or perhaps even imaginary, and plenty debatable. No consensus has ever formed on the subject, and any such attempt will be a wild goose chase, if you will.