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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322407 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Emanuel Berg writes: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> There's nothing more natural than an editor analyzing text >> in a buffer. Why it frustrates you is beyond me. > > doing the old thing we should move up one level of abstraction > and be there instead, and focus not on "getting the job done" > but instead getting it done in a way that is much better than > what we - to a large extent - have been doing so far. After having seen how I could write interactive indentation highlighting in wisp-mode in a few hours of hacking and a few dozen lines of code,=C2=B9= I disagree with the implication here that the current way is a bad way to get things done. If you want to see how Emacs actually outshines other environments, you need to look no further than the talk Lisp for Everyone =E2=80=94 starting = at 24:00 if you want the context, or directly into the Emacs at 26:45: https://archive.fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lispforeveryone/ =C2=B9 https://hg.sr.ht/~arnebab/wisp/browse/wisp-mode.el?rev=3Db9f2fb2b433= 3#L414 Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmaxGq4QHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD61q3D/93mQ7AF+0Xgfnt3I7je7zxLZFrdWf5dvSH WBLgvagpL5RGQ9DTdyJg1GWs3f38BiHwigofur2K52OEYpUpjcQ/cuk6FWk0Jlkt AOLPvQoecCcTZAe7UV8vxBiMCUiMyGS8TSM095+wuOndaJNVVhuqDYJEigwMz0f6 CFvWuNM9gT0/r0zN+FdYwu5rs9trYzs5caUz3C3bi3qLKdF9rLK2w0UxPNwB0C+j 9oVW+XWag15qWuFzdR0pjKlRtnhx47GANRIOzO9lvtXz94b1pij0CowplLLWIoM6 rZBDyFWy/t1KkrkLr5wZi458LoNYXMrAgKit04iiRUaBFujAfyovWXySdSYr9Um0 lH+Bw0Z3om2gkbUqdbXVHmCaCqgPhO+lX8vmHW9lKly+2Bm/6zTAiaTrtYrJJqrE Dc8KGhloN5pV3udwl23DaKqowqzKz83oJC5HrxcvGS8CV3MvQWDAiACIXUWxamxN 0Qy6KuHBfFLMCC2AJ0gxIlF00k8D4nZxfKntHrrxCXPGXUII//uoNhrFu6wHcb+6 Z7oXTEqzekIQuU4RdzZ5+mtvlz2vX3ULKzSgV3b2cQNM7rug/0RZ0JkLS7dKXPV8 6c3ETjCD+bnh+hFfAsNGbT/2UJbAHqDikd3UrndZzFcwUe9CI+rOiM5D+WvrtRx5 dvDi8NCJY4jDBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmaxGq4QHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSIx9A/d3dgY2XbTHodXBL93VjdSLFIlS 2kApl/Z+TK/4pEqicJdem4fzsHdEV56tPxd0llaVp4ogBFdLVQtmCSxNa7D/rOB0 /4iV5PakwbOBJdz/jVv4X8c6JtDEEzFFJBW3HeQMUMiNBFgWwLBHNrLu6FByDL55 hgGfLSpkyPFTdtB2 =5EOu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--