From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87lkemki35.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <002201c7ae61$5d13fc00$d10990d4@j4f3n1> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181812959 3327 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2007 09:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "grischka" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 14 11:22:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HylXI-0003oI-I8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:22:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HylXH-0007mp-HJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:22:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HylW8-0007QL-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HylW5-0007OK-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:21:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HylW4-0007Nj-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:21:20 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp5.libero.it ([193.70.192.55]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HylW3-0005zm-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:21:19 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out4.libero.it (192.168.32.28) by smtp5.libero.it (7.2.079) id 45AEB976038CF55A; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (172.31.0.51) by smtp-out4.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FF5204F09154; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:48 +0200 X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Original-Received: from smtp-out1.libero.it ([172.31.0.37]) by localhost (asav-out10.libero.it [192.168.32.38]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytyxAMoXcIgo; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ambire.localdomain (151.21.37.9) by smtp-out1.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FC9105710F32; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:48 +0200 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HylVW-0001F5-9M; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <002201c7ae61$5d13fc00$d10990d4@j4f3n1> (grischka's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 10\:52\:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72852 Archived-At: () "grischka" () Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:52:33 +0200 Cheap propaganda. The truth is that current emacs' idea of scrolling is just too simple minded than that it could drive a standard scrollbar correctly. perhaps if you change the first "." to a ":", you will have a point. Only that the limitations which you complain are part of the means by which the metaphor is created in the first place. i think the point is that a different metaphor pleases other people. if the mechanisms that support your preferred metaphor cannot support another, that is a deficiency in the generality of those mechanisms. "but they were not designed to be general." art of design is finding balance between undesired (maintenance burden) and desired (customizable) generality. it is ok to be artistically deficient (most of us are so by default!), but there is no escaping the art critics -- they are everywhere. thi