From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: (re)display problems after font backend merge Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87lk2069db.fsf@escher.local.home> References: <87fxsjmmo2.fsf@escher.local.home> <87fxsiczun.fsf@escher.local.home> <482E4EB0.3070003@harpegolden.net> <87wslti040.fsf@escher.local.home> <482EE57C.8050009@harpegolden.net> <87ve1cn5dz.fsf@escher.local.home> <482FA2EE.7010900@harpegolden.net> <873aofscdz.fsf@escher.local.home> <87lk226ppg.fsf@escher.local.home> <4836450B.7000403@harpegolden.net> <87y7615hn2.fsf@escher.local.home> <4836EC67.90400@harpegolden.net> <87prrd54xg.fsf@escher.local.home> <483700BC.1060101@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211575395 19035 80.91.229.12 (23 May 2008 20:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:43:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 23 22:43:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jze6O-0000Rl-3I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jze5d-0004hT-Iu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jze5X-0004ef-IV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jze5V-0004ch-Qo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:42:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41384 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jze5V-0004cY-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:58385 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jze5V-0005al-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Jze5O-0005Wh-SM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:41:58 +0000 Original-Received: from i5387e593.versanet.de ([83.135.229.147]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:41:58 +0000 Original-Received: from Stephen.Berman by i5387e593.versanet.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:41:58 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 63 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: i5387e593.versanet.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97616 Archived-At: On Fri, 23 May 2008 18:37:00 +0100 David De La Harpe Golden wrote: > Stephen Berman wrote: > >>> So.... just to cross-check - what does >>> >>> fc-list : family scalable | grep -i helvetica >>> >>> now return for you? >> >> Adobe Helvetica:scalable=False >> > > scalable=False, eh? Well, I _thought_ that effectively meant > no antialiasing in fontconfig/xft land*. The puzzle would > be where the helvetica-like font that is antialiased is coming from, > then :-). I guess you mean the font that realizes mode-line-inactive face (in my penultimate reply to you, I was confused and mistakenly said that this face was *not* anti-aliased; it *is*, as you seem to realize)? It is this: -unknown-DejaVu Sans-extra-light-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso8859-1 Moreover, the face in the tabbar header line, which also inherits variable-pitch but like mode-line-inactive overrides some attributes, is also anti-aliased, and it is realized by this font: -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-10-*-*-*-*-0-iso8859-1 My reply may have confused you as well, so to be clear, the font realizing mode-line face is indeed *not* anti-aliased, and it is indeed Helvetica: -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 > [Not sure, but may need to run fc-cache -fv both as root and as > yourself, there may be a global /var/cache/fontconfig dir] I only ran it as root. > fc-list :scalable=False file family scalable > > should return all non-scalable fonts fontconfig is seeing on your system. The output includes Adobe Helvetica but not the other two fonts above (though B&H Lucida, B&H LucidaBright, and B&H LucidaTypewriter are listed). I also tried fc-match as per James Cloos's suggestion, but I don't know if I did it right: % fc-match :family=Helvetica n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular" % fc-match :family="Adobe Helvetica" helvR12.pcf.gz: "Adobe Helvetica" "Regular" If either of these is right, it doesn't shed any light on why Emacs uses DejaVu Sans and b&h-Lucida Sans for faces derived from variable-pitch in my cases. Steve Berman