From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87ljzeky45.fsf@nic.woome.com> References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217771886 11192 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2008 13:58:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Frank Schmitt , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 03 15:58:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KPe6h-0006MZ-AG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:58:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54315 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPe5m-0006UD-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:57:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPe33-00035p-SA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPe31-00033K-Qs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48689 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPe31-00032t-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:54:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:41108) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPe2y-0004Ne-DI; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:54:56 -0400 Original-Received: from owls-tree.tapsellferrier.co.uk ([81.187.188.218] helo=owls-house.tapsellferrier.co.uk) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPe2x-0004TI-11; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from nicferrier.tapsellferrier.co.uk ([172.31.50.1] helo=nicferrier.localdomain) by owls-house.tapsellferrier.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1KPdse-00085A-7r; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:44:16 +0100 Original-Received: by nicferrier.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C33C1A97E1; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:48:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sat\, 02 Aug 2008 21\:33\:51 -0400") X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101996 Archived-At: "Richard M. Stallman" writes: > > I am glad that Emacs can have this effect. > > Did you first run it on Windows? > > Yes, I did. > > Well then, Emacs on Windows has in at least one case brought someone > more or less all the way to freedom. If this happens often, then it could > amount to a good reason to have Emacs run on Windows. Just wanted to say, this happened to me too. For a while I was a sysadmin using GNU/linux extensively but having a Windows desktop machine. Using Emacs on Windows eventually led me to reject corporate IT and just use my own laptop with GNU on it all the time. That was sometime ago now but I don't see why that still wouldn't happen. What actually made me move? I missed the things in Emacs that I could do with the operating system when I was on a GNU OS. So it wasn't the quality of the Emacs implementation on Windows, it was things like being able to run pipelines and so forth from inside Emacs. I have always thought that a more "modern developer" friendly Emacs might make in-roads against things like eclipse and would help increase users of free operating systems. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.woome.com - Enjoy the minute!