From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: isearch and M-y/C-y Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:50:04 +0900 Message-ID: <87ljvdlx6r.fsf@xemacs.org> References: <1226849462.184357.3770.nullmailer@null> <87zljzpbml.fsf@jurta.org> <1226945661.613276.9583.nullmailer@null> <87k5b22br7.fsf@jurta.org> <1227049197.867615.3169.nullmailer@null> <1227108293.271364.5180.nullmailer@null> <874p23b907.fsf@jurta.org> <87od0ab9pq.fsf@justinbogner.com> <87d4gqi988.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1227228385 28827 80.91.229.12 (21 Nov 2008 00:46:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mail@justinbogner.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric Schulte" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 21 01:47:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L3KBA-0007uu-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:47:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59526 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L3KA1-0006JE-Rz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L3K9v-0006Ir-28 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L3K9q-0006If-Dq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58819 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L3K9q-0006Ic-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:40550) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L3K9p-0001Ku-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F87F820D; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:45:59 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E864D1A2D03; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:50:04 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87d4gqi988.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 83e35df20028+ XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105867 Archived-At: Eric Schulte writes: > Second, the remapping of C-y in isearch has bothered me as well Good luck getting a change past Richard on that basis, though. Votes and vague botherings don't help in persuading him, arguments based on specific changes and the costs and benefits of those changes do. These arguments need to take account of Richard's concerns about his own usage patterns, which are possibly idiosyncratic, but mostly are just highly efficient and often adopted by others (who don't need to speak up if Richard does, so are hard to count). Note that you probably have to explain away or justify the "collateral damage" to the keymap (ie, grabbing keystrokes that are useful shortcuts as "exit-isearch-and-do-something"), which both Richard and Andreas have expressed concern about. Taken altogether, this is a pretty high barrier. (N.B. I have no opinion on the keystrokes in question.)