From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:45:00 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ljmpuc8j.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247678349 1097 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2009 17:19:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:19:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 15 19:19:02 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MR88E-00032f-2y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:19:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44738 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MR88D-0007ud-7K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:19:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MR7bj-0007En-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MR7be-0007DF-NU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47663 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MR7be-0007DC-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:48107 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MR7bd-0006H5-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MR7bU-000084-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:45:12 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:45:12 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:45:12 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rXbogzrP1eOf3dIVqlM69PgYn84= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112498 Archived-At: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:33 -0500 Jonathan Rockway wrote: JR> * On Tue, Jul 14 2009, Richard Stallman wrote: >> Another problem with Gnus maintenance is that, whenever they see the >> need for some other feature, they add it to Gnus, without discussing >> it with the Emacs maintainer, and without attempting to make the >> package independent of Gnus. JR> Anyway, I think the solution is to cleanup the Gnus code as needed JR> rather than completely rewrite it from scratch and call it something JR> else. I can't speak for the Gnus developers, but I'm sure they would JR> appreciate the help. The point of free software is that the users can JR> improve the code; so that it works better, or so that it can be used JR> somewhere else more generically. Right? (speaking as a Gnus and Emacs contributor) Right. I have not seen anything concrete about what needs to be fixed, refactored, etc. in Gnus. There aren't many developers actively contributing to Gnus, either, so making major changes will take a long time and needs to be well-justified. Gnus welcomes new developers with open hooves...er...arms, but the code complexity is probably intimidating to most. Pulling code out of Gnus has the downside that it then needs to be inside Emacs, but XEmacs may not have it. XEmacs compatibility has (as long as I can remember) been a Gnus goal. How should Gnus and Emacs deal with this? I hope "drop XEmacs support" is not an option. Ted