From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:45:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ljmpuc8j.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:33 -0500 Jonathan Rockway <jon@jrock.us> wrote:
JR> * On Tue, Jul 14 2009, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> Another problem with Gnus maintenance is that, whenever they see the
>> need for some other feature, they add it to Gnus, without discussing
>> it with the Emacs maintainer, and without attempting to make the
>> package independent of Gnus.
JR> Anyway, I think the solution is to cleanup the Gnus code as needed
JR> rather than completely rewrite it from scratch and call it something
JR> else. I can't speak for the Gnus developers, but I'm sure they would
JR> appreciate the help. The point of free software is that the users can
JR> improve the code; so that it works better, or so that it can be used
JR> somewhere else more generically. Right?
(speaking as a Gnus and Emacs contributor)
Right. I have not seen anything concrete about what needs to be fixed,
refactored, etc. in Gnus. There aren't many developers actively
contributing to Gnus, either, so making major changes will take a long
time and needs to be well-justified. Gnus welcomes new developers with
open hooves...er...arms, but the code complexity is probably
intimidating to most.
Pulling code out of Gnus has the downside that it then needs to be
inside Emacs, but XEmacs may not have it. XEmacs compatibility has (as
long as I can remember) been a Gnus goal. How should Gnus and Emacs
deal with this? I hope "drop XEmacs support" is not an option.
Ted
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Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-01 19:47 Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 19:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 3:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:04 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 10:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-13 12:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 13:10 ` Leo
2009-07-14 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-15 16:45 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2009-07-15 18:18 ` Frank Schmitt
2009-07-16 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-16 5:19 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-16 14:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 12:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 0:55 ` Mike Kupfer
2009-07-16 1:10 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 5:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 14:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 13:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-17 18:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 19:15 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 5:30 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26 ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57 ` Kevin Ryde
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 16:17 ` Jonathan Rockway
2009-07-14 18:33 ` Bastien
2009-07-14 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 1:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 22:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-01 23:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 19:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 2:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 7:44 ` message-mode / mail-mode (was: Sending attachments) Teemu Likonen
2009-07-03 8:43 ` message-mode / mail-mode Miles Bader
2009-07-03 8:55 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 9:07 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-05 21:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:45 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-02 1:01 ` Sending attachments Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-02 13:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 14:33 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-02 16:40 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 14:39 ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-04 15:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-02 17:26 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 13:47 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 21:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-06 16:07 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 9:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 18:34 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:36 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:53 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 11:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 13:41 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:16 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:40 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 15:09 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09 2:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:43 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-10 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-10 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-10 11:55 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-11 18:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 12:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-11 18:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:17 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 19:07 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:47 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-08 19:08 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-07 12:48 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-06 16:16 ` Glenn Morris
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 17:37 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 15:11 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-04 15:54 ` Leo
2009-07-05 14:47 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 3:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 18:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-07 10:11 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-07 13:53 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:49 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 13:29 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-11 19:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 21:51 ` Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Sending attachments Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-04 15:33 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-04 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-04 17:08 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-05 10:18 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 1:40 ` Daniel Pittman
2009-07-05 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 3:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 3:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 3:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 3:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 0:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:37 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 5:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12 3:05 ` Leo
2009-07-12 3:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 9:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 8:01 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05 8:30 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 20:05 ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2009-07-05 20:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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