From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:21:40 +0900 Message-ID: <87lje9x43f.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09225DFF6E@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <87eik2bt9m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <871vg2y8pc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y6iaii3o.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sk8ivyl3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267600255 11334 80.91.229.12 (3 Mar 2010 07:10:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Berndl, Klaus" , Llu@gwyn.tux.org, Chong Yidong , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=EDs?= , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , Stefan Monnier , "Eric M. Ludlam" To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 08:10:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmijJ-0007FT-21 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:10:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44879 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmijI-0003Nu-Bi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:10:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmijD-0003Np-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45610 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmijC-0003Nh-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:10:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmijB-0006jV-6C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:10:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:56731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmijA-0006jM-Ol; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:10:41 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3968213; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:10:38 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C73481A37D9; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:21:40 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121590 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Chong addressed what seems to be the relevant question, which is > whether there's a irrational bias against using xemacs code merely > because it's from xemacs. Why would anyone care about that? The existence of a bias has been denied often enough, and even if it does exist, it's not really a big problem for Emacs, and it's an advantage for XEmacs (as Richard and other Emacs advocates have remarked often enough in the past). My questions are (1) is enough effort being made to acquire written and tested code from outside of Emacs purely from a value-for-work standpoint? and (2) does a lack of effort/lack of successful effort in that direction tend to distance Emacs from the rest of the free software community? Some recent posters clearly feel the answers are no and yes, respectively. Those are not good things.