From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What have the Romans done for us? (Bazaar) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:14:47 +0900 Message-ID: <87ljd1oxw8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20100405145637.GA3248@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270542831 32163 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2010 08:33:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Chad Brown , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 10:33:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4EE-0004we-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:33:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48658 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nz4ED-0005Ja-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:33:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nz4BX-0004aB-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:30:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35585 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nz4BV-0004Zl-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4BT-000172-I3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:30:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:32849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz30Q-0005jU-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:15:27 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411291537B3; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:15:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACF461270EF; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:14:47 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123252 Archived-At: chad writes: > In the meantime, I'm now using bzr, because of emacs.... Probably > at least several others here are as well, so there's hope for it to > improve, as long as the growing pains aren't too onerous. As somebody who has been following the Bazaar list for years, and the main protagonists on the GNU Arch list before that, all I can say is "good luck". The Bazaar focus remains what it has always been: supporting as many features and workflows as possible. For example, substantial effort (ironically enough) is going into making Bazaar a good front-end for git repositories, and another main thrust is the GUI "Bazaar Explorer". Another developer is busy working on a speed optimization of "bzr log" that "only" expands the size of repos by a factor of 10 (in the prototype, of course it will get better, but clearly he is not aiming at reducing the size of repos). As (IIRC) =D3scar reported, the Bazaar developers think Bazaar 2.x is fast enough, and most users who post do seem to agree (in fact, recently I've seen complaints only from bzr@savannah users, ie, Emacs and GRUB -- most users don't use Savannah or Launchpad, of course, they use either local repositories or the smart server.) I suggest that you should make your own luck. Bazaar's development process is relatively open, perhaps better than Emacs's -- specifically, I mean that they have a formal mentoring process for new developers (grep for "patch pilot" in the Bazaar list archives). Nobody would object to patches that speed up bzr.