From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel Subject: Re: telepathy Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:56:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87ljcjakhd.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87sk6tonv8.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20100418053925.GA7294@tomas> <878w8lb2s0.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <8739yt9nks.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <878w8k8q57.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <868w8kosie.fsf@gmail.com> <87pr1vant8.fsf_-_@gmx.de> <864oj7q25k.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271669906 24822 80.91.229.12 (19 Apr 2010 09:38:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Florian Weimer , sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Zajcev Evgeny Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 19 11:38:23 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3nQn-0006EQ-HK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:38:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50590 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3nQe-0006cM-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:38:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O3mml-0000AW-9G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46794 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3mmj-00009e-9h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:56:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3mmh-0005CM-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:56:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:40231) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3mmh-0005Bf-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2010 08:56:48 -0000 Original-Received: from p4FC00986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO detlef.gmx.de) [79.192.9.134] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 10:56:48 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+TUSkv79yTOYzvelBg+U+C9RmTRGFZg9NfCst0AW BxewFeWjgoJc41 In-Reply-To: <864oj7q25k.fsf@gmail.com> (Zajcev Evgeny's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:25:59 +0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57999999999999996 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123871 gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel:2891 Archived-At: Zajcev Evgeny writes: > As to Emacs, I'm very sure that model when emacs does use external > programs and wraps them into lisp level functionality is great!, but > in some circumstances that is not enough flexible, sometimes you need > direct access to API. Each time implementing C-to-lisp wrappers for > different APIs is not that great as having solid FFI implementation, > when you can write such wrappers entirely in lisp. That's true when you have FFI implemented in a compatible way in SXEmacs and GNU Emacs. For the time being, using a D-Bus API is already possible in both Emacsen (given, that I finish my tasks on SXEmacs). > So Emacsen C code for D-Bus, ImageMagick, etc is inferior to 100% pure > lisp (without performance impact!) implementation in SXEmacs using > FFI. Yes, that would ease access to such libraries. If FFI would be available in GNU Emacs, one could think about rewriting those libraries in Lisp. > thanks Best regards, Michael.