From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Embedding Emacs in other apps Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:01:42 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87lj9uxt7t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <878w72nu23.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739wz6eyq.fsf@gmail.com> <8739wty62x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <871vbmbqfl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278054165 32180 80.91.229.12 (2 Jul 2010 07:02:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:02:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 02 09:02:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUaGQ-0007Ea-D6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:02:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38662 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUaGH-0004d5-Bm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47329 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUaG6-0004bP-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:01:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUaG3-0005Fv-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:01:56 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:51152) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUaG3-0005FZ-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:01:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUaFz-00077S-BS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:01:51 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ec10e.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.193.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:01:51 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ec10e.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:01:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec10e.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7E2LwVoPFcXZjYE2SvEC8PWF5+E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126678 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > > I think we are in a hurry. The Vim developers are also working on > > xembed. We must of course be first ;-) > > Forget being first. XEmacs has had it since 1998 at the latest. So either the feature's potential is overhyped, its use in the existing XEmacs implementation is too complex to be used by a "typical" developer, or something else is amiss. > Concentrate on being best, instead. Based on your experience with XEmacs, would you have suggestions what uses this feature has been _advertised_ for (perhaps it was so easy to get in that no advertisement was needed and consequently nobody got interested enough to try it?), and what made the advertisements, if any, fall short in execution of their promises? It is a good goal to concentrate on being best, but we need to think about best for exactly _what_. -- David Kastrup