From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:21:22 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87lj9ak1zh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87iq4f8gyh.fsf@telefonica.net> <874ofzl2ji.fsf@mithlond.arda> <201007162023.32116.tassilo@member.fsf.org> <87zkxrjihf.fsf@mithlond.arda> <8739vjf2k2.fsf@gmail.com> <8739vi8x39.fsf@mithlond.arda> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279351303 21098 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2010 07:21:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:21:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 17 09:21:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oa1iP-0006co-Mt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:21:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37853 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oa1iO-000054-QI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:21:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49619 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oa1iG-0008Ux-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oa1iE-0002bW-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:21:31 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:35536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oa1iE-0002bP-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oa1iD-0006a8-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:21:29 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ee57e.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.229.126]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:21:29 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ee57e.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:21:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ee57e.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aVecanqN+ZpVzRKjhcLZHAQTsxw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127489 Archived-At: Teemu Likonen writes: > I'm not sure what you mean by context here but maybe you are right that > touch typing reduces the difficulty. I have been touch typing since > 1992. I used Vim for five years and then switched to Emacs for its great > extensions and extensibility. Of course I have learned Emacs keys and be > efficient with them but I already had a great motivation to learn Emacs > for its other features. I never learned to _like_ Emacs movement keys > and feel that they are just tolerable or manageable compared to Vim. > > (I believe that there would be noticeable new interest towards Emacs > if it, for example, announced that its version 25.1 has added a mode > that switches to ergonomic key bindings.) Get off it. You already got crisp-mode, viper-mode, vi-mode, vip-mode, wordstar-mode, tpu-edt-on, edt-emulation-on. None of those have made much of an impact, even though viper-mode is supposed to have non-zero users. -- David Kastrup