From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:06:42 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87lj8g6il9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19549.44879.848292.639521@rgr.rgrjr.com> <19549.49818.270000.981978@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19549.61887.613440.141458@rgr.rgrjr.com> <4C5FE9A9.70101@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281359232 10801 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2010 13:07:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:07:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 09 15:07:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiS4F-0001UE-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:07:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34606 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiS4D-0004S0-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48872 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiS46-0004QM-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:06:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiS45-0002xi-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:48269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiS45-0002xL-07 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiS42-0001QI-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:06:50 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ec0ba.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.192.186]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:06:50 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ec0ba.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:06:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec0ba.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Nv5bY7BWVebpNcaECYH5pBpXF9M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128474 Archived-At: Andreas Röhler writes: > Am 09.08.2010 12:01, schrieb Richard Stallman: >> The main reason our lawyer gave when advising us to ask for copyright >> assignments is so that the copyright status of the program is simple. >> He said that would help us in court if we need to sue someone for >> violating the GPL. >> >> We can make an exception occasionally when it is very important >> but we should not make many exceptions. > > The crux is: this policy puts the risk at the weakest shoulders, at > the contributors. No, it _takes_ the task of suing for compliance from the shoulders of the contributors. > Please consider: adversaires of free software will not ignore this, > will not miss the point. Adversaries of free software will notice when the legal position of the FSF is weak. I have no idea what "point" you are trying to make. > BTW we have a prominent example in Germany already, how a career and > social existence of an free softtware activist might be ruined. > > His name is Jörg Tauss. He was a member of the Parliament, the > Bundestag. Inside Germany as in Europe Jörg Tauss took action against > software patents. The accusation is acquisition and possession of child pornography. If you consider this in any way connected with copyright assignment policies, you are just crazy. It may be loosely connected with freedom of information and privacy, but that's utterly, utterly unrelated to the topic of discussion. So please get a grip and use, if at all, examples that have anything to do with the point you are trying to make. -- David Kastrup