From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 20:37:10 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87d3kal0za.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5mky4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1304473061 28493 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2011 01:37:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 01:37:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 03:37:34 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1x-0004ql-Di for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 03:37:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36696 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1x-0008Lr-0T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 May 2011 21:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1u-0008Lm-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2011 21:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1p-00067E-UR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2011 21:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:41810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1p-00066m-Jj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2011 21:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHR1o-0004nv-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 03:37:24 +0200 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 03:37:24 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 03:37:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 67 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kYlEFkPEoVVGYy6Ybds6sMfOQDM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139089 Archived-At: On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:04:06 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> For example: >> >> (setq auth-sources '((:source (:user tzz :keyfile "mykeyfile" :host "myhost" :port 587)) >> "~/.authinfo.gpg")) >> >> I think that's cleaner since the inlined data maps nicely to the netrc format. LMI> Won't this still require opening the ~/.authinfo.gpg file, or does it LMI> stop searching after you've find the first match? With :max 1 it will stop after the first match. This is why I usually specify :max 1 when I use `auth-search'. LMI> Anyway, I don't really like having long, complicated user-exposed LMI> variables. Users usually mess them up. Putting stuff like this in a LMI> file seems like a nice feature. OK. LMI> That is, if we allow lines like LMI> machine smtp.mail.host login foo password .secrets.gpg:smtp1 port smtp keyfile mykeyfile LMI> in ~/.authinfo and then have a ~/.secrets.gpg file with LMI> smtp1 password bar LMI> we could allow mixing the queries for open and secret credentials. I see. I think we can avoid this kind of complication: LMI> The typical usage will be LMI> (auth-source-search :host "smtp.mail.hos" :port "smtp") LMI> which would return an auth-source object, but will not read LMI> ~/.secrets.gpg. If we look at elements like :keyfile, we'll find the LMI> :keyfile element. If, however, we try to access the :password element, LMI> auth-source.el will *then* open ~/.secrets.gpg, read it, and return the LMI> password. LMI> So we defer reading the ~/.secrets.gpg file to the very last possible LMI> moment -- which is when we know that we actually need it. Let the user choose. The query is: (auth-source-search :host "smtp.mail.hos" :port "smtp" :keyfile t :max 1) to find the first entry that has a keyfile and (auth-source-search :host "smtp.mail.hos" :port "smtp" :secret t :max 1) to find the first entry that has a secret. So these two lines: machine smtp.mail.hos port smtp keyfile xyz machine smtp.mail.hos port smtp password mypass login myuser can be separated into a plain file and an encrypted file, or combined: machine smtp.mail.hos port smtp password mypass login myuser keyfile xyz which as a single line can live in a plain file or an encrypted file. Ted