From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:52:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318287166 17032 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2011 22:52:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 00:52:42 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOiA-0001jA-Ei for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:52:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37207 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOi9-0002sk-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:52:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOi7-0002sU-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOi6-0007NX-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:56579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOi6-0007NP-1N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDOi4-0001hN-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:52:36 +0200 Original-Received: from 175.red-83-45-165.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.45.165.175]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:52:36 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 175.red-83-45-165.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:52:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 175.red-83-45-165.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hklu3Y3NNSWnwOgci6cVqlP7Vgc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144835 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:50:07 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: > >>> I think it would benefit the GNU Emacs project, the Emacs developers and >>> maintainers, and the Emacs community as a whole if there was an official >>> read-only Git mirror of the Emacs repository that was updated with every >>> Bazaar push. > > RS> I just want to make the point that since Bazaar is a GNU project, IMO > RS> this would not benefit the GNU project as a whole. (I'm not saying don't > RS> do it, just making a point.) > > RS> That's my response too. > > Are you simply ignoring Glenn's last sentence? > > Why does Savannah offer Git hosting if you feel even providing a > read-only Git mirror harms the GNU project? > > Is Emacs a tool or a weapon? I was restraining myself from making this question since long time ago: is GNU a competing project against other *Free* projects? To the point of not only promoting a technically inferior package (i.e. bzr) but trying to inconvenience those who opted by a successful, widely used, *Free*, non-GNU package? If the answer is yes, how does it helps the Free Software cause? This is not a stab on bzr. I'm just bewildered by the attitude of GNU (which, AFAIK, is a means to promote Free Software, not an end on itself) towards other Free projects. Feel free to follow up this privately.