From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: patch vs. overwrite in bzr Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:20:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87lim9f9fx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k42cwys8.fsf@gnu.org> <87398lgrat.fsf_-_@niu.edu> <871uo5c7r0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87pqbpj5j3.fsf@altern.org> <87aa2szgig.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs4yrhz.fsf@gnu.org> <83k41vctyg.fsf@gnu.org> <83aa2rcnww.fsf@gnu.org> <8362dedgcb.fsf@gnu.org> <87zkapi7qe.fsf@gnu.org> <83iphdb6dp.fsf@gnu.org> <878vi9gqst.fsf@gnu.org> <838vi9b2sr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1333707598 7070 80.91.229.3 (6 Apr 2012 10:19:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 06 12:19:56 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6Gp-0008Bd-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:19:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6Gl-0000ZM-FE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:19:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6Gc-0000YS-KD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6GX-0008Il-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:40932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6GL-0007sQ-72; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: by wgbdr1 with SMTP id dr1so1545861wgb.30 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:19:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=hDCJ2htcswPmU47SkQi7MheSBG6AxFQWA7ln4wQBuBo=; b=KVbwtOtRkWXd7paKEQFMk000Z2eWrEY8kZDx0JLVY+X0ehIoM81Unz5DEgJXEhZmm2 uXB0Imhd9RmjzYLQY6NDEnYwJypilMwCOp/+9TwQN+eszl6UKOAqlGJVOz76FgM8CwjB gGVMgEXPFBeYllsj2yCNehKIMFJB52UmTI/J0WH3UC1ihD6dAXQ+z9HstfihixJDrjoS lmDIcEkQxWqMTbZLnaOksfwNVdMW0Ngln+U+edTIx9jmG+QLx/jnPfZKzMst53mDhBmJ liTkayAd7ZJCr3IpxLRhxNWEZaBsMlCGkKemjcc8DrspQx4JAOPIK6mC7v8pkYGXzJoa UArA== Original-Received: by 10.180.95.37 with SMTP id dh5mr6844969wib.8.1333707561614; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from myhost.localdomain (pha75-11-82-236-86-204.fbx.proxad.net. [82.236.86.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm8574619wix.4.2012.04.06.03.19.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7A3BF856E; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:20:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <838vi9b2sr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:57:40 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.125.82.49 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149423 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Bastien >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:20:18 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Bastien >> >> Cc: Stefan Monnier , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:29:13 +0200 >> >> >> >> Regular Org testers don't want to rebuild Emacs each time they have >> >> to test a new feature in Org. >> > >> > Why would they need to do that? Org is not preloaded into Emacs, so >> > all you need is compile the new Org files and perhaps restart the >> > Emacs session, but not rebuild Emacs. >> >> Right. But there are other problems. >> >> - Updating to the latest Org via `bzr update' would take longer compared >> to the current `git pull' (several factors here...) > > Like what? And how much faster is "faster"? Like "significantly for my own usage". Check this source for a comparison: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/why-switch-to-bazaar.html#high-storage-efficiency-and-speed Git might be slower on Windows, though. I think nobody really disagree with git being faster. > I believe this is just the general git-preference issue, which has > nothing to do with "faster". Sorry to disagree. And it's a key factor, especially for small projects that you want to follow/help occasionally. >> - Some people don't have access to their Emacs installation (at work, >> for example) and still want the latest Org. > > Well, that's what site-lisp and/or load-path are for, right? That's > how those users install Org right now anyway, I believe. They can > continue doing that if Org were to be maintained as part of the Emacs > repository. You suggest Org testers should clone Emacs and add the relevant load-path in their setup, just to be able to test Org? Mhh.. doesn't look really sexy to me. >> And surely more. In any case, I'm all in favor of having the most >> recent Org in Emacs trunk regularily, but migrating the development >> of Org from the separate git repo to Emacs bzr repo is a no-go. > > I understand, and I think this is the _only_ real issue involved. Since I agree this is the main one, I won't argue about the other issues anyway :) And I guess we all have too much to do to argue on such things. Looking forward, -- Bastien