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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163602 Archived-At: Xue Fuqiao writes: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon > wrote: >> What I mean is that perhaps concentrating on keys is the wrong thing to >> do, vs. concentrating on bindings and the fact that you can configure >> them as you want, and that the default bindings (foremost the oldest of >> them) are quite _optimized_. > > But they are hard to press. In the Space-cadet keyboard[fn:1], one of > the early Lisp Machine keyboards, Ctrl key besides the space bar > (similar to the position of Alt keys on PC keyboards), and Meta to the > left of Ctrl. So, the Ctrl key is easier to press than Meta. This is > why, the key bindings for the most used commands in Emacs involve the > Ctrl key instead of the Meta key, I think. But Ctrl is not easy to > press now. Yes, we can move the Ctrl key[fn:2], but many new users > don't know that. That's the problem. Let's solve it, put that in your .xmodmap: !------------------------------------------------------------ ! Sixth line !------------------------------------------------------------ keycode 37 = Super_L keycode 133 = Meta_L keycode 64 = Control_L keycode 65 = space space digitspace digitspace keycode 108 = Control_R keycode 134 = Meta_R keycode 135 = Super_R keycode 105 = Hyper_R > And some commands that are frequently used, such as {open, save, close > buffer}, all require multiple keystrokes with the difficult Ctrl key. > > Footnotes: > > [fn:1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Space-cadet.jpg > > [fn:2] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/