From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:15:10 +0900 Message-ID: <87lhxnmm0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ha8f3jt1.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ppn2qz0f.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87y51qcace.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874n4e3rkm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txcdd6d0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wqh8n877.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lhxocvfq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirwmgd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d2j0ck3q.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r47fn0br.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ob2jiffc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391757326 28774 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2014 07:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 07 08:15:34 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WBfew-0001mD-1q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 08:15:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40000 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBfev-00086L-GY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:15:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBfen-000866-DZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:15:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBfei-0006Nu-3k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:15:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:37952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBfec-0006Lm-7z; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:15:14 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB7697069B; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:15:10 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0F271A2794; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:15:10 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87ob2jiffc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 2a0f42961ed4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169451 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > Ted Zlatanov writes: > > > > > Realistically speaking, attacks against Emacs are extremely unlikely > > > unless specific people are targeted. > > > > Exactly. > > Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to order any person or > entity to turn over "any tangible things," so long as the FBI > "specif[ies]" that the order is "for an authorized investigation > . . . to protect against international terrorism or clandestine > intelligence activities." That order means that not only do you have to turn over the drive, you also have to give them the passphrases or PGP keys (as with GPLv3). So it's irrelevant to this thread, which is about mechanisms to make wiretapping less useful. See also http://www.jwz.org/rba-rip.html for more information about the defenses you don't have against a subpoena in the U.S.