From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:59:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87lhwxd202.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <87wqgr4v18.fsf@yandex.ru> <53064BD0.7070009@yandex.ru> <87ha7tr5bo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppmhecd8.fsf@yandex.ru> <87y50z90pd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87txbld5kr.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87sir5ejl6.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393448615 9912 80.91.229.3 (26 Feb 2014 21:03:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:03:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 26 22:03:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WIldZ-0008Hc-Tw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:03:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43176 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIldZ-0007YG-Bi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50455) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIldR-0007Y5-1g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:03:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIldL-0003YS-2c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:03:20 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIldK-0003Xb-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:03:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WIlcp-0006Aq-AP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:02:43 +0100 Original-Received: from 19.red-83-39-162.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.39.162.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:02:43 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 19.red-83-39-162.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:02:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.red-83-39-162.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qDieNrta1ms4/s2yLlpFUaNOuY4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169894 Archived-At: David Engster writes: > You are really fast at dismissing things. [snip] > Thanks for the lecture. Sorry, David. I can see how my position could be interpreted as the one who belittles yours and Eric's work. I have a lot of respect for what you achieved. Actually, I think it is possibly the most impressive piece of work on the Emacs community. At the same time, I have a bit of knowledge about the work required for putting together a modern C++ front-end. I'm no expert, but at some point on the distant past I could qualify as a C++ language lawyer and had the privilege of observing and interacting with the people who worked on C++ front-ends. Just making sense of the Standard is something that requires plenty of work and communication with your peers (the Standard is too ambiguous on some parts for the level of precission that an implementer needs, so things are agreed among the handful of people who write the front-ends and later the agreement is incorporated on the next Standard, if possible.) And then comes the hardest part: figuring out how to implement the feature. Creating a C++ front-end requires years of full-time work from teams of specialized, experienced, extremely brilliant compiler writers. Please understand that I would be delusional if I expected that you, on your free time and on a short enough timeframe to not lag more and more behind the current language standard, could implement the required analysis features for accurate and efficient smart code completion. Sorry again for appearing dismissive towards your work. [snip]