From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:04:05 -0600 Message-ID: <87lhmh9dq2.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw6yxeij.fsf@gnu.org> <8761dllwds.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d27tk4j9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sigpk3zk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87oardk1kh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87tx15hu2s.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418130290 15974 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 13:04:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 13:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 09 14:04:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyKT5-0004ZK-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 14:04:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40394 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyKT4-0005Rn-SL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:04:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyKSr-0005RM-UK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:04:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyKSi-00018W-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:04:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]:58726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyKSi-00018S-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:04:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id nt9so383826obb.33 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:04:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:reply-to:cc:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=MIYp1WoSdpGTK+LVtS2BAA4emaMO8vVpbNed4KCmLjs=; b=T8LnH4vOtTVmmPLiXQlV+cO+HVXZunHp91QzEFBJiTzFIJA/6NDip3xH8mqcTmr9iI WU1gKOzbmkwG+fWRy10m6H9xBhEbn8G/EqpCISFJDSSxk0d8/8bgISTwDxj4KD6JRN/r cQhpuxNfG7O/KPc/6X+Jc+BnGqfvnKWLE4Zx3drRQcwo53gHw65POT4ZHIAx+Oc4sypw z2voGNIEHUzSADnFCHD3+YMAxjGax9mOTUE2V1vzviK8LV+5S9UDHZeML7UpdqR1uq2J Obokz6w1wNqscc5HE1zJ5Ghh5MwW2uqxRLGniuSKtH45MlNA4653CzdF9ARHE/kNFquk keww== X-Received: by 10.182.245.130 with SMTP id xo2mr1824043obc.16.1418130259514; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:04:19 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from belanger-home (184-155-90-233.cpe.cableone.net. [184.155.90.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x65sm435076oix.23.2014.12.09.05.04.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:04:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87tx15hu2s.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:43:39 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179556 Archived-At: > but stand by my original statement that there's a texinfo 15-30 minute > ramp-up time that's annoying and puts *me* off. You can call it an > excuse if you wish. It's a legitimate issue, but not specific to TeXinfo; the same issue arises no matter what we use for documentation. There will be a ramp-up time for anyone who doesn't use the system regularly. Instead of making writers look into the doc sources for examples of what they want to do, it might be useful to have a page or two of examples of using TeXinfo (or whatever).