From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:40:01 +0900 Message-ID: <87lhm9g07i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31xkue1.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87mw6tj8gp.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87sigifh44.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418607630 8355 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2014 01:40:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , Richard Stallman , emacs To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 02:40:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Ke5-0008Kg-5u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 02:40:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37675 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Ke4-0006yj-Qd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:40:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45631) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Kdv-0006yd-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Kdn-00042K-IN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:40:10 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:59503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Kdn-00040T-8j; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F33ED1C38AE; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:40:01 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DA5971A2CFC; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:40:01 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180119 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > The problem with ecmascript on the web is (a) licensing and (b) > > whether you can trust the source. > > There's also the (c) which is that it's a lot more difficult to modify > this code. That's not at all the same kind of problem. If you don't like the style of code, rewrite it. If it interacts with proprietary resources (whether by license or by hiding in the cloud), that's a problem with the resources, not with the downloaded code. "Difficult to modify" != unfree or fraudulent. After all, that's what Eric and Karl are saying about Emacs itself. ;-)