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[118.209.30.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fb1sm9479734pab.9.2015.10.14.05.14.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Oct 2015 05:14:54 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <561E3FB6.8010407@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191553 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 10/14/2015 05:45 AM, Eric Ludlam wrote: > >> This is how EDE (a part of CEDET) is setup and works. There >> are "projects", and in projects there are "targets". There are >> project build commands, and target build commands. Each >> project or target can have language specific features for >> setting up CEDET's parsers. > > Is there a particular reason to have the notion of "target" in > the project API? i've been wondering this too; in a post to this list in August: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-08/msg00278.html i wrote: > Eric Ludlam writes: > >> I'm also interested in how to resolve some of the >> misconceptions about EDE. Perhaps looking at what prevents it >> from being 'on by default', which I'm sure is a long list, is a >> good way to move it in the right direction, even if it never is >> on by default. > > Well, say i'm developing a small Perl5 project - one main > module, supported by two helper modules, all of which are pure > Perl. When i look at the overview of EDE in the Emacs manual: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/EDE.html > > and read: > A project may contain one or more targets. A target can be an > object file, executable program, or some other type of file, > which is “built” from one or more of the files in the > project. > > i think to myself: "Okay, so EDE might be able to help me build > (say) a .tar.gz when i feel the project is ready for release and > distribution, but it's not relevant prior to that stage, since > the source .pm files /are/ the executable files. There's nothing > to 'build' during development and testing, so it seems i have no > use for EDE during those phases." > > i would also guess that, similarly, EDE might not be that useful > when developing in languages such as ELisp, Python or Ruby. > > Am i wrong? What would using EDE get me in such contexts? Alexis.