From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: RFC: Adding BBDB to Emacs core Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:32:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87lgdbz1p1.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87lgdpphmm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sh7mjd7d.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87lgddgaga.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87bme8b7u9.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524673882 30877 195.159.176.226 (25 Apr 2018 16:31:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 16:31:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Radon Rosborough Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 18:31:18 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNK9-0007wZ-6x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:31:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNMF-0007nN-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:33:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46226) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNLc-0007mB-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:32:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNLZ-0006Er-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:32:48 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:59128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNLZ-0006Da-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:32:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2HOdv2pyhhba2oMMO9wOt3DAqdez2qdmaSX2zrVrDp0=; b=ZpbFkBA+mBpQjpbqMYDTIkzS0 9J6ud3rltKoyR4BRWwUm4w19SNsPRVTFEBgsEUvJdqvYmzaLTfdexMYe/AcEBhtKV41FABV13ITTq Op68ttAa55zbLwCIzHujqxh4CPvr8uMz5mbr0kYp7FR2ciKXg/F4cq+q/syfw0oOXrQm8c+9MYaOH /K0+NGUlCw5K6gMneuzr1w+1DaTTQUN2WLNM/zChiuS5weVWscrAn6uN1h/lB4WL71ylW/V3j9Ri0 oTEd5MF+RS3mJcydgCLeYtuHF3OMOb/jzhQUZr0saqCe3yamKAJSP57Zqxi8Ck7u81v9pblBNzxot FI2KMkVMQ==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-124.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.124]:53527 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fBNLW-002fQy-H9; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 16:32:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Radon Rosborough's message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:04:32 -0700") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224878 Archived-At: Radon Rosborough writes: >> There's a case to be made for allowing ELPA archives to exports several >> versions of a package at the same time, so older Emacsen can still >> install the old version of a package without having to download the old >> version by hand. > > For another perspective, see also source-based package managers like > straight.el [1], Borg [2], el-get [3], et cetera, which easily bypass > this problem by allowing you to install any version you want, and to > change your mind after installation. > > [1]: https://github.com/raxod502/straight.el > [2]: https://github.com/emacscollective/borg > [3]: https://github.com/dimitri/el-get More than I knew about. Replacing package.el would indeed be a way forward (although you'd need to run both in parallel for a while). Phil