From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Toon Claes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:19:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87lg001kty.fsf@iotcl.com> References: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru> <1552791707.5272.2@yandex.ru> <1552793646.5272.3@yandex.ru> <1552821396.21432.0@yandex.ru> <83imwhwf4x.fsf@gnu.org> <837ecvux2q.fsf@gnu.org> <9c7cf558-a2d3-951e-d6e1-31b3ad5900cf@yandex.ru> <1553064994.13109.0@yandex.ru> <831s32t3fn.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnqkt5ht.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="112054"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: hi-angel@yandex.ru, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Philippe Vaucher , dgutov@yandex.ru, tadeus.prastowo@unitn.it To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 23 23:19:41 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hJ2pJ-000SzH-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:19:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59589 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJ2pI-00025N-5I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJ2p2-000221-Aj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:19:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJ2p0-0003zi-3S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:19:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [88.99.97.36] (port=56897 helo=g03s01.soverin.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hJ2ou-0003pE-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:19:17 -0400 Original-Received: from soverin.net by soverin.net Gcc-Self: nnimap+soverin:Sent In-Reply-To: <83pnqkt5ht.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:03:10 +0200") X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.2 at g03s01 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 88.99.97.36 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235838 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eli Zaretskii writes: > Such significant changes in our processes cannot be done by > "deciding". It's a large job that needs motivated individuals to do > it. Doing it also requires first-hand knowledge of our maintenance > procedures and special needs. I agree. Whatever tooling gets added, it should not get in the way of how the maintainers work now. They are still doing the hard work and need to have a workflow that works best for them. > So if someone wants to make this happen, I urge you to come on board, > get involved in maintenance, collect some real-life experience in > routine development and maintenance tasks, and then lead the change, > doing most of the work yourself. And yes, Savannah will most probably > be a large part of the equation, so you will need their cooperation as > well. TBH, I've tried this. For years I've been following the mailing list, and I want to get involved in Emacs development. But I've found it hard to get around in the codebase. I'm not sure, but it might be a chicken-and-egg problem. If the tools are not convenient *for me* to follow-up bugs, review patches, etc., it will also not help me familiarize with the codebase and vice-versa. Although that might be an exaggeration, cause I haven't been finding a lot of time to be actively involved in Emacs development. But I've been involved in setting up EMBA, cause I believed it might be the first step towards a "more modern" workflow. If the Emacs community, and their maintainers, are open to adding such workflow, I'll do my best to get involved in that too. -- Toon --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEqpqkV/lEuXKD1KF3MRQ6gtMrOJcFAly/gUkACgkQMRQ6gtMr OJeMcw/9FQE5oluRI7SBofmgIMu/f2sB8TJO+ItFv0lmt2Y5w4t88WpNwKl+mptu 8cnRU8re12D+yzGAjysiX+oWV2QbT9O+UNPNBwv3ePYZJdLcnPqVxy8fuqbVKarz QZRTBad43O2wXFBUtbEGb2ppXO0l3s4N99FjkTp8OWzsgGxR3HYj4d4pRNObi2KM N5kMHro575fjRbXHZZPv3Gw+OpHp6J7hNjgGfGh5c/+5ZV9IRTA+iHcdmeLb0ApS E0gethbtEOe40fjJPtDSwNafjYMuBiNnwgsiayvqN29nfj7sCUPpExJkB2e0zD2B 10tNFNs4LyF0+Mdy4NH2KjniTZHUaOI74UVTur7eTKjOSUXrO1BlfNq0B2gfp9QK fLpoOCbN1ucacGYC2igEmBkPpC0owhl2JaNMTgv8e6Hx4rE2+YNWetZOPlvUuqM5 K+BsrroloTWN5MK6PhXDO3GR47t7Nvx4XlJ9Mx2O699zeR903TVhxeE72APP2Pv3 6MRpWOEG43XvizMbh3C/dekfd7A/OSGK1eaiISORjQKgj6Xy3O9sS/lskY0Xe83Q WlE2x8y+89BLcBQ6fLp0sP7TrMiJQsNtfZjWDYIDDVq8FEtR0Zu7nO2O1u2pmDec IZkcRLc0XwPqinS1nOUA8EXkYJESqeOE/5TAkKWBVKI9MKB60iE= =luK+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--