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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250479 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Sergey Organov >> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:10:25 +0300 >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, andreas.roehler@online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> kfogel@red-bean.com, Tak Kunihiro , >> tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp >> >> And here there are 2 more problems for newbies. They usually expect >> pop-up /modal/ dialog to be thrown on them for anything but text input >> or moving around. > > That happens in Emacs for some/many commands invoked via the menu bar. Then this must be rather easy to achieve for keyboard induced commands as well. -- Sergey