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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269224 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> I don't know what impacts it might have on the UI, but I've often >> wished (from an implementation point of view) that Isearch used >> an actual plain old minibuffer rather than mimicking one > > Why? (Speaking for myself, with only a cursory reading of this thread) While isearching, I regularly find myself reaching for regular navigation/editing commands (C-a, C-b, M-b, M-DEL=E2=80=A6 even C-x o, on occasion), and tripping out of isearch. This thread made me discover M-e, but I doubt I'll use it much, since it takes the "i" out of "isearch". >From this user's candid[1] point of view, "controlling Isearch from the minibuffer", as the subject says, sounds like an opportunity to have one less ad-hoc UI. Isearch already goes to some lengths to make it /look like/ stuff is happening in a minibuffer[2], so I don't think it would defy user expectations to actually use one. [1] "Candid" as in, having no a priori opinion about the current, non-minibuffer implementation (aside from those minor grievances I just expressed); I can't tell what added value it brings, be it from a user's point of view or from a maintainer's. [2] E.g. printing the user's keystrokes in the echo area where the minibuffer is by default, painting the prompt with isearch-message-properties =E2=89=A1 minibuffer-prompt-properties=E2=80= =A6