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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275230 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> I think this uncleanliness is a bit risky. Better put the definitions >>> in their own namespace. I don't think "transparent compatibility" is >>> worth the trouble here, and I don't think `s`, `f`, ... solve the >>> same problem. >> >> Can symbol-renaming help here, perhaps? I believe Jo=C3=A3o is trying to >> get it ready in time for Emacs 28. > > Confirmed. I am working on the documentation and hope to provide > "hygienic", drop-in versions of those very `s.el`, `f.el` libraries. I > agree with Stefan that those libraries don't seem to be solving the same > problem of forward-compatibility, though (at least how I've understood > it, which may very well be "not at all"). Where can I find the code/examples on how this would look like? > Jo=C3=A3o --=20 Philip Kaludercic