From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 22:30:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87lf11tlzf.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83wnkm94oq.fsf@gnu.org> <87y251vdeh.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21649"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Andrea Corallo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 03 22:31:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtG9C-0005QW-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 22:31:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33934 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtG9C-0005Pi-0J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:31:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtG8Z-0004ea-TF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=46530 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtG8Y-0003Cq-3U; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:30:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rStycYJ9JsD9Dqt5ZiBWRiXi9q7YdX6+41UmVDVmUeM=; b=aQvDB0E+feib3eVCySY7sAOZTE DK91GuHGYrUCviNbniUICkjaNC33ZZYh+YQ/K5IEM+BbZVivQB1rJjv1SZP3g27elQTVyWc+MiaUn yMrlKoayWKxEmPwI51pO4xU2qWa13LmMCuRk41HBMdcSOsoQoSiGolTa/EiDOnrB1lD8=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtG8S-0006Rn-Ib; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 22:30:31 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUsVXEwZ49Hd5qK a1QLEBJBUVpSha7///93llwQAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+UMAxUYMZQwm4YAAAG5SURB VDjLbZPNbqQwDMcdBD3HiN6Jd8W51WrvU9W5pyvyAEVq3v8R1k4IYYbxJcK//P0ZAMTQwjMzOCLi U/ALnxERkIJLPERyGRSNsY+CHaBetVMQUP05lpEjhhgFjA4PA7A+rp8x9gFyrY1MPpiYtXhv6w2R v+ACLDNi/34FrytLkqChtjvQs9qXgrRJI1TxxBw95JYobZToqJn5809paaSURFW7nDz/LQDHRYjG yiJbQB6MguRavW87GNMZSJJbmRulR+CLYimATp2UqT0C6UR2NfABaqxX5g+BFWyHQoA5gZZcgNbM l6oU9BnQIsNqyQcBOmGZFS15WnWFzGsGOnRN7hrgApSQBbwA9ZO1+SAk2e0O9Nt1zlCxnj/6mpxo BgPZ7cb+5n4fob4BnO12xY36A8iThfkRiN/J5pvCl7ogZwBCO79sCqZarjRuRYbjHBbxL+W+VyCp LVoDgwb74UMxWjA6jw6CgPUA+m8ZfWAmQLdUQVylgfzrORtjR6XSXQE0i2+GIZh7MBIML5tciN0y rw1QmmVTcwQI36b5GXSveh+Gf9vAJ9DRRlDAT38GwVEBEGOL5P1/7KuiJdq5fh8AAAAldEVYdGRh dGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTItMDNUMjE6MjQ6NDkrMDA6MDBfAsTNAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlm eQAyMDIxLTEyLTAzVDIxOjI0OjQ5KzAwOjAwLl98cQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _Construction Time Again_: "Shame" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 3 Dec 2021 10:53:28 -0800") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280874 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > What does "casually building" mean (as opposed to just "building"), and > why should such users be any less interested in having a performant > Emacs? If you just want to use a newish Emacs (as opposed to develop with it), you're pulling down the sources and building it casually. (And probably updating once in a while.) If your system is slow, doing a native build can be punishing (and might well turn these people off Emacs altogether). >> (And think of the CO=E2=82=82 effects.) > > Won't we save CO=E2=82=82 in the long run by not wasting cycles interpret= ing > bytecode? Benchmarks please. ;-) Yes please. =F0=9F=99=83 --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no