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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284148 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 18:59:39 +0800, Po Lu said: Po> Robert Pluim writes: >> Plenty of people also object to Emacs writing stuff to their init file >> by default. Po> I know that, mostly because I'm one of the people who object. What I'm Po> saying is that the status quo seems to have kept people reasonably happy Po> for a long time, so there isn't a reason to change it. There will also Po> be people who object to the new default, and in 15 years there might Po> even be a proposal to change the default back to the init file, and Po> things will start becoming confusing then. I think that were we to automatically use and load a custom-file for people with no config at all, that such a proposal would not arise. Robert --