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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295480 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 16 Sep 2022 at 03:43PM GMT, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > There is a fork of mg (MicroEmacs)[0] that binds C-h q to a command that > pops up a buffer with these contents: > > FILE BUFFER WINDOW MARK/KILL MISC > C-x C-c exit C-x C-k close C-0 only other C-space mark C-_ undo > C-x C-f find C-x k other C-1 only this C-w wipe C-s search > C-x C-s save C-x C-b list C-2 split two C-k close C-r r-search > C-x s all C-x b switch C-x ^ enlarge C-y yank M-% replace > C-x i insert C-x g goto ln C-x o other win C-x C-x swap M-q reformat > ______________________________________________________________________________ > C-h q toggle quick help | C-h t show tutorial | C-h b show key bindings > > I notice that in GNU Emacs C-h q is bound to `help-quit', which does > nothing if you are not in the help command loop. Would having a > "quick-help" menu along these lines for common operations make sense for > GNU Emacs as well? I guess we should ask some newbies. -- Sean Whitton