From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 06:29:59 +0000 Message-ID: <87lepf0xp4.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87v8pn4968.fsf@posteo.net> <87h7156lg5.fsf@gnus.org> <878rmhdkc9.fsf@posteo.net> <87fsgnfzb2.fsf@posteo.net> <87czav3ie8.fsf@posteo.net> <874jw77d7d.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilkj3ggv.fsf@posteo.net> <5C15FD91-B3CF-46DF-96B1-0B47262E9E9E@gmail.com> <87tu431j8u.fsf@posteo.net> <8335bn3ret.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15285"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: hmelman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 08:44:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okJrV-0003po-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:44:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35112 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okJrT-0007Jj-QT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:44:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49346) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okJdc-0001KA-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:39583) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okJdV-0001HN-CE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AC74240104 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:30:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665988200; bh=7gRN0ontbdikApAXdGVFW1obZGEviGC4kB5aElAku10=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=L0lBEmH/Bt8+v+8AfsVjYbjdA8LVwZX0BTJpxNL8hFqlfHOySjOfdlZ8pli9UEDn1 MUrdqpYWB9iH1CUHe5nDvNe+UVNVBGXUXhdR0wRrO/+PaivcOoesD1iCc+nZHUzov1 bE0Y/GBtcJVI7huf15G7IToKlhQOGR9QUAjWT9f2E2PQ/UWLyGxwQoWl2hAw0bTNnY UwZE39Z/6U/Dgd7auFn0rBTLEEifOTuehq5+4Td+jUEKH9Tzek7L0tROuj2LVH4eLc sMQjmnChtgIfHZoUYPttzUkEOJSqLw1R90+N/nRcwsLFdGFEQnXcAtPoyj86vQqG6U S8bhVVQ1zJtPA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MrRtb6ngbz9rxR; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:29:59 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <8335bn3ret.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2022 09:17:30 +0300") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297920 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:44:33 +0000 >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> File Buffer Window Mark & Kill Projects Misc. >> C-x C-f find C-x k kill C-x 0 kill C-k kill line C-x p p switch C-x C-c exit >> C-x C-w write C-x b switch C-x 1 kill others C-SPC mark C-x p f find file C-_ undo >> C-x C-s save M-g g goto line C-x 2 split vert. M-w kill region C-x p g search C-s search >> C-x s all C-x C-q read only C-x 3 split horiz. C-y yank C-x p r search & replace M-% search & replace >> C-x o switch C-x C-x swap C-x p c compile M-q reformat >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> Instead of renaming "C-x C-c" I have moved it over to "Misc." > > It is IMO wrong to stuff C-x C-c too far from the beginning. Exiting > an unfamiliar application is a frequent need, and it should ideally be > right at the beginning. I tend to agree, but it is also true that "File" might be the wrong section. Perhaps one should reconsider the order and move "Misc." to the first column?