From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Extending define-derived-mode Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 08:30:00 +0000 Message-ID: <87legyb9br.fsf@posteo.net> References: <20F07C52-6B39-4B24-8433-82E2226EADA6@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel , Mickey Petersen , Theodor Thornhill , Dmitry Gutov To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 05 10:31:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q65cJ-0002Wj-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 10:31:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q65bQ-0006aH-67; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 04:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q65bO-0006a6-7d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 04:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q65bJ-0007Rj-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 04:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD39B240028 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:30:01 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1685953801; bh=eJGMc1wQgc/Rq4E/uOx2ySJEgfBgQiJFOaw39uBtxDA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=KveJ5IkJmo4UEdx2HqlSOfN+mfJ+ljTV58Z1+tb0UwZF6f8n7O33bDD7YShP1H2dV iApehGY7AMDvmYFy2UrqkEhgqeU7CTDWCNUthVMYD8OO8hbdsrlaaZvPNgelb292yM P+mVr1Wkdj1coHUi5OZ2moZCHrWyoTPhT5W/9iaDyMxxPyBVz3qvsmoYMGIkh/MosV p3/JJkCfBCFDsZS/nZOyvz1EhSonG2mzF0YiEMX5F+QFZvZ1xTNi69sl/g5aJpdQt2 mT4QGecok2YZOU24KjJPgZSqp2igD7b2p3oelGXy+wNt+PZV6vnzETASxxO/xJFZdc g/B2AuRjEjfCg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QZRcS6jkTz6txS; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:30:00 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20F07C52-6B39-4B24-8433-82E2226EADA6@gmail.com> (Yuan Fu's message of "Mon, 29 May 2023 22:16:49 -0700") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306639 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: > When we were adding tree-sitter modes a couple of month ago, it was > clear that the current major mode model needs some upgrade, I=E2=80=99d l= ike > to discuss the things we need and how can we address them. Perhaps this is a stupid suggestion (since I am permanently behind on developments wrt. tree-sitter), but might it be that the notions of "major modes" just aren't strong enough of an abstraction to talk about languages? Just like we have user options that have a relation to regular variables, wouldn't it make sense to provide something like "language modes" that would provide a higher-level and a more specialised vocabulary. This might also tie into the issue of inconsistent bindings for semantically "analogous" operations between major modes (compiling, opening a REPL, requesting documentation, etc.) or the issues of duplicate configurations options that all raise the barrier when trying out a new major mode or switching between languages.