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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307008 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" >> Cc: Konstantin Kharlamov , luangruo@yahoo.com, >> philipk@posteo.net, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:57:56 +0200 >>=20 >> In the discussion it became clear (at least to me) that the way to >> contribute is not the main complication, but the discoverability of that >> way and that the way seems hard when you see more than a sheet of paper >> in print as instructions. > > You are inventing a problem where there is none. You said that the w32 port didn=E2=80=99t get many additional devs. I=E2=80= =99m trying to find reasons =E2=80=94 and on the website I see obvious reasons that keep people from contributing. And the more I look into it, the more I see how broken the new-dev-wants-to-contribute usecase of the website is. 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